Boy George has spoken...

Brilliant posts Artichoke
Marilyn’s DGAF tweets also brilliant
Let’s all just keep on telling the truth ❤️

Widow Twanky🤣

Heartening to see many sensible replies disagreeing with him.

I am baffled by the way so many gay men see heterosexual men with a fetish as one of their own.

Fuck sake, I've always liked Boy George as well...you never can tell can you.

Love Marilyn's response, never really been a fan until now.

I know the point is NOT that trans people are unsafe, rather men could claim to be women to access female spaces, no questions asked.

But.

You can never say ANY whole group is safe. Never. You will get some abusers/murderers/rapists in the trans community just like you would any other.

You cannot just say as a blanket statement that x or y group are 'safe'. Because not every individual within that group will be.

I know you can also say that of any group - so I'm not specifically using that argument as a way to retain female spaces, I just think it's ridiculous to state all trans people are safe. As long as trans people are people, they will vary just as much as any sector of the population.

Am having a good chuckle at 'goddess energy' (cheaper than British Gas! 🤣) and also the fact that 'anyone who wants critical thinking can stick around' is in the actual same tweet!

Boy George clearly doesn't know what 'critical thinking' means. I think he thinks it means 'being critical of anyone with a different opinion to me, and not listening to what they actually have to say'.

I imagine this like a video game...1980s pop stars, gender critical mode, FIGHT!

Nina Hagen is currently a clear winner, and has been winning for more or less her entire career

Widow Twanky though 😂😂

And this is absolutely part of the raging epidemic of male VAWG, domestic abuse against females, porn related issues and the overwhelming sexism in society right now. It is part and parcel. The one cannot be sorted without confronting and dealing with the other.

Yet when it’s women being actively oppressed… and when women are resisting oppression in the form of enforcement of male sexual rights over women and children .. well then suddenly it is respectable and even progressive to tell women just to shut up and take whatever is coming to them.

This. It is absolutely no different from hundreds and hundreds of posts from MNetters all over these boards who have heard from a male abuser, usually someone who said they loved them, their own special version of 'don't upset me with your crying while I'm beating you'.

This political movement calls female humans, half the human race, to enter into an abusive, codependent relationship. This is the time for a massed LTB.

Boy George and Marilyn are friends and have always had a tempestuous relationship with each other.

I thought that BG previously did 'get it' but I may be wrong. From that tweet it seems he's changed his tune whereas Marilyn (you legend!) thankfully hasn't.

Why is it always all about trans women? What about trans men? Who are at risk from male violence. And largely ignored by celebrities so desperate to be seen as supportive as they trample over each other to say how awful women are in not welcoming trans women into female only spaces.

How many gay men are being told they are transphobic for not having sex with trans men? You know, the way lesbians are told they are transphobic for not having sex with trans women.

Its not about goddess energy, ffs. And what is goddess energy? Do boring old biological females have goddess energy?

Well it’s turned into a cat fight now. It’s just not a fair fight (very funny though).

Ironic that critical thinkers can stick around when he's just demonstrated he isn't blessed with critical thinking!

Great post @Slothtoes

Very well said @Slothtoes

It’s just so rude and cravenly politically man-pleasing of any man to dismiss women’s concerns about how male gender identity politics affects us. This forcible colonisation by men of women’s feelings, spaces and systems just doesn’t affect any man directly. It never will. Because biology’s real and always will be. Male physical advantage is real and always will be.

Imagine going up to another group of people who can say with clear evidence that they’re being made fearful for their safety, privacy, dignity in public, for their ability to remain employed, for their ability retain their freedom of speech and their freedom of association with their community of likeminded others, for their ability to form romantic and sexual relationships with whomever they wish to or don’t, that they’re having their awards, opportunities and safe spaces actively removed from them, and that the state in which they live is colluding and compounding this oppression by actively promoting it in schools, hospitals and prisons, and that none of this is being properly democratically debated or acknowledged…. and then imagine trivialising or undermining what this group have to say about their experiences? When you know their issues can never affect you?

People who think they’re on the right side of history would be calling up Amnesty and Liberty right away and fundraising for court cases and alerting the media and raising the alarm on their social media channels, to support this oppressed group wouldn’t they. They’d be drawing posters and organising demonstrations and telling their kids and friends and everyone else who’d listen how awful it is. Rightly so.

Yet when it’s women being actively oppressed… and when women are resisting oppression in the form of enforcement of male sexual rights over women and children ..
well then suddenly it is respectable and even progressive to tell women just to shut up and take whatever is coming to them.
Which is straight up service to the patriarchy and it’s very disappointing to see anyone, male or female, engaging in it.

The ‘women shut up and take it’ attitude just underlines yet again how very different the male and female experience is, and how women will always need to advocate for ourselves. This gendered attitude which is used to present women as ‘less than’ men is just plain old sexism, the absolute opposite of progressive politics. It stinks. It’s everywhere.