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Medical Women's Federation - TWAW

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weasle · 07/01/2022 11:01

The medical women's federation have tweeted their support that TWAW.

twitter.com/medicalwomenuk/status/1479390017063723010?s=21

The original tweet has a very depressing thread of doctors, DOCTORS, asserting that a woman is anyone who says they are and that deniers of this are against biology!

I feel so let down by my medical colleagues that so many have no grasp of biology and science! I despair.

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PermanentTemporary · 08/01/2022 01:03

I don't know. Everyone can potentially get breast cancer, so that's right, though I don't think the incidence is high enough to make population screening like mammography effective. If there is less prostate cancer among transwomen, I'd like to see evidence that it's not due to transwomen dying younger, as prostate cancer iirc is a disease of old age. However, I know that female hormones have some role in prostate cancer treatment so maybe they're right. I'd be amazed if there was much evidence.

TurquoiseBaubles · 08/01/2022 00:54

Added to which it's really dangerous.

There's a transwoman in those threads who is insisting that since hormone treatment has caused breasts to grow, it's important to watch out for breast cancer. However, since the hormones also cause the prostate to shrink ConfusedHmm there is now no worry about prostate issues.

That can't be right, surely?

PermanentTemporary · 08/01/2022 00:49

I'm scared. An FB acquaintance of impeccable fluffiness recently posted general support for Kathleen Stock (she's also an academic) and got so so much intense pushback in quite harsh terms. I never use FB for anything political, I don't have the guts.

TurquoiseBaubles · 08/01/2022 00:46

It's awful when you see it in real life isn't it Sad? I know a perfectly normal reasonable pleasant nice man who went apeshit when a friend (very mildly) said "I don't think you have thought it through".

He is a well educated man, accustomed to being able to argue his point and I think he suddenly felt backed into a corner and had to revert to aggression because there was no alternative.

Twitter is like that. Perfectly normal people suddenly lose their shit, often because they know they are being proved wrong.

PermanentTemporary · 07/01/2022 22:42

Oh bollocks, one of the men giving Dave Curtis a kicking is the husband of someone I know. My acquaintance's husband comes across as a really unpleasant piece of work, one of the doctors I could do without, though I don't doubt his clinical skill.

RVN123 · 07/01/2022 22:35

I'll paraphrase a Ben Shapiro video I was watching the other day.

"If you show me a doctor who says that men can be become women, I'll tell you that the person is not a doctor but an activist".

2Rebecca · 07/01/2022 21:08

I'm a doc and I'm not surprised. Anything with women in the name has been infiltrated and the MWF has always been quite lefty and keen on "inclusivity" but they also give award for men who are good feminist allies which is a bit cringy.. Interestingly it says in their manifesto that women should be able to see women doctors if they wish...

TurquoiseBaubles · 07/01/2022 21:04

Loads of likes, but an awful lot of implications about his career Sad. I wonder did he know what he was letting himself in for.

Scraggythang · 07/01/2022 19:02

If you google Dr. Dave Curtis and it’s the same guy he specifically studies/studied Genetics, Evolution & Environment

Div of Bioscience

So, if it’s the same guy, no wonder he knows sex matters.

ErrolTheDragon · 07/01/2022 19:01

@TurquoiseBaubles

Poor Dave Curtis, whoever he is Sad. All he said was that doctors know that women are women and transwomen are not.

I'd say there was probably a real life pile on as well as the totally bizarre twitter stuff.

He'd got over a thousand likes when I looked earlier today though.
MrsWinkly · 07/01/2022 18:54

Oh my days.
Do they think that's all the evidence needed?
The rabbit hole is actually bottomless.

TurquoiseBaubles · 07/01/2022 18:47

Poor Dave Curtis, whoever he is Sad. All he said was that doctors know that women are women and transwomen are not.

I'd say there was probably a real life pile on as well as the totally bizarre twitter stuff.

Linguini · 07/01/2022 18:44

Oh I'm all mixed up!

It's Dave Curtis who's closed his account not the women's medical association.
Unfortunately, they're still active.

Linguini · 07/01/2022 18:43

"This Tweet is from an account that no longer exists" apparently.

I can't imagine Twatter would ban an account that is so pro-TRA, so can only assume they've closed it themselves?

Maybe the intern who posted that Tweet is getting a bollocking.

TurquoiseBaubles · 07/01/2022 17:54

@ErrolTheDragon

An entire thread of doctors pronouncing transwomen are women.

The vast majority of the responses I can see are ridiculing the tweet. I haven't yet seen any doctors supporting it.

Sorry, Errol I was referring to this twitter thread twitter.com/davecurtis314/status/1472539749122519046 which, after the first dozen replies, rapidly deteriorates. I didn't realise I'd wandered from the link in the op.
highame · 07/01/2022 14:11

My guess is that India Willoughby's doctor will be the first to declare that he's found a mtf trans with a cervix

Slothtoes · 07/01/2022 14:06

How depressing. But then medicine has always been incredibly misogynistic arising from its history and working culture I guess, even though these days the majority of med students are female.

Scraggythang · 07/01/2022 13:49

@ErrolTheDragon it’s more having to say it at all. It has nothing to do with anything in this instance. The same if it was having to clarify men means even the ‘gender diverse’ men.

I should’ve made that clear in my original post.

TheABC · 07/01/2022 13:45

Hang on, this could be a golden opportunity!

if anyone knows how Transwomen become women, it's got to be these doctors. They could finally clear up this debate by giving us some nice, crisp, clear definitions.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 07/01/2022 13:41

I’m just embarrassed for them - I’ll wait for them to tell me when they’ve found the first uterus in a TW, fucking morons

Theflamingnerd · 07/01/2022 13:38

One of the replies did make me chuckle "your mind is so open your brains have fallen out"

aliasundercover · 07/01/2022 13:33

The vast majority of the responses I can see are ridiculing the tweet. I haven't yet seen any doctors supporting it.

The replies to the original tweet by Dave Curtis include loads of (claimed) doctors spouting that twaw. When Curtis offers to debate them they of course all refuse.

CruellaDeVilla · 07/01/2022 13:31

Ffs it’s lunacy

Enough4me · 07/01/2022 13:29

Is the same happening in men's healthcare?
Oops ignore me, I forgot men are permitted to be men and to be women.