Medical Women's Federation - TWAW

This is why recognition of trans people is important in medicine. Because trans people don't have risk profiles exactly like their birth sex. It actually is more complicated than that.

No one's arguing that it isn't, or that TQ+ people shouldn't be recognised in medicine.

The point is the one you're making here: TW and TM are not the same thing as female.

So erasing female in medicine for political illusions that benefit a male TW population does absolutely nothing helpful for anyone, and is causing major issues for 51% of the population who are female. Without solving the TQ+ medical issue.

TWATW. TMATM. Women are adult human females.

Three groups. Three different needs. End of problem.

@BlueberryCheezecake - if recognition of trans people in medicine is, as you say, important to appreciate the very particular medical conditions they may have, why are they not standing proud and campaigning that “Transwomen are transwomen and transmen are transmen” instead of claiming to have magically changed sex to the extent they have assumed a new body (and the associated medical conditions) and should only be referred to as their “new” sex in all cases? This does not make sense.

It is all a mash up of language. It appears there is no point transitioning MtW as the word women has disappeared, it's a free for all.

The definitions female, male and trans are still important for single sex spaces and healthcare. With trans needing third spaces, which they need to campaign for as female and male do not cater for their more specific needs.

It's odd, because if TWAW then W ceases to be tangible and defined, therefore negating any meaning to TWAW, because we are all the same one big pot. 'Woman' ceases to exist in itself.

This is why recognition of trans people is important in medicine. Because trans people don't have risk profiles exactly like their birth sex. It actually is more complicated than that.

[quote PermanentTemporary]@HereticFanjo the guy I know of on there is happily married, gay and would fully see any footnotes to TWAW as the same as homophobia. Very clever guy.[/quote]
Well he's clearly not that clever then, is he? Because TWATW. That's a really bad acronym. Maybe that's why 'transwomen are transwomen' never took off 😬 even though it's objectively true.

Oh and British.

@HereticFanjo the guy I know of on there is happily married, gay and would fully see any footnotes to TWAW as the same as homophobia. Very clever guy.

Shared Times link above as some women MPs are standing up for women's rights. We need more MPs, male and female to represent facts for us.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/22962836-6e46-11ec-a1b8-3009dadbed4f?shareToken=6f6c227bd0cb0abe3dfd2e663e913706

@VelvetChairGirl, I like this in theory, but in practice it impacts negatively on regular men and the weirdos would love it. Also some wouldn't see it because they would be in the women's loos anyhow.

Sadly I think it will take a lot more stats showing increased sexual violence before more MPs will speak up.

If a woman is anyone who says they are, then so is a man, perhaps we should all go in the mens toilets on mass to wash out our moon cups in the sinks and demand sanitary bins and tampax vending machines.

I wonder if tampons fit down the drains of the urinals

Students, including healthcare students, are now viewed as paying customers. Their views are highlighted to VCs and actions are proposed above staff feedback. University brand image requires following the customers' needs above staff and wider society perspectives.

Students bring it into Universities from schools, where they are a group that must be 'in', being 'in' is following essentially the mob rule: 'people are who they say they are'.

They do not think through the ramifications as many do not perceive them, so they either believe sex is fluid or join the silent majority.

Areas like BLM and LGB are directly linked with T on equality and diversity pages. So to challenge the T ideology risks challenging minority groups.

These students are now in the NHS and it's safer to be quiet or actively 'in'. Remember Twitter etc. says transphobes are witches to be burnt.

Medicine is supposed to be evidence based, unless it is for this.

They're just doctors. Not superheroes. Highly collaborative, dependent on being thought well of by team members to survive the huge responsibility they carry, dependent on favours and networking. Tbh that's how a lot of jobs are.

I'm looking at that thread in complete astonishment. If you click on the blue link at the top you will find Dave Curtis is gone but a serious number of alleged medical doctors saying transwomen are women. These are allegedly doctors. WTAF is going on? Have they all taken crazy pills?

I hope that the girls having mastectomy operations are the future voices that stop this continuing in the future. Sadly, it's not possible to show them now how different it feels to be an adult when you not only tolerate your differences but appreciate them.

Like Keira Bell, I hope future detransitioners support children not to rush to irreversible damage. Without this, the issue will keep happening.

I'm involved in a teenage youth group. I know three girls aged 16 who have gone to Eastern European countries for double mastectomies. Because of this I know I'm right.

Cosmetic surgery on 16 year olds to stop them committing suicide can't ever be ok. I'm almost 60, and about 1 in 5 of my year in school had anorexia (or bulimia after Princess Di); none of my youth group have eating disorders, it's all gender issues.

Yeah that's the argument isn't it, we're just old. But I look at my friend C who's transitioned to live as a man, and as an old person all I can see is an undiagnosed autistic girl who has no interest in anything 'girly' and who was bullied by girls at school. He's undoubtedly happier - great. Not a man though and I believe one day there will be another change - I hope to nonbinary and I hope before he has surgery.

See, that's my issue with Pride.

I thought Pride was a demonstration that being gay wasn't weird, or different, or out there, or in-your-face-sexy, iyswim. I thought pride was about "we are gay, but being gay is perfectly normal".

I find it quite upsetting that nowadays being gay seems to have reverted to being "outside the norm" when ten years ago being gay or bi was a perfectly normal sexuality, not a lifestyle.

Maybe I'm just old

I guess as long as we shut up they're satisfied. It's true I don't want anyone to suffer. I just can't accept that actual lies like 'assigned at birth' are public policy and I never will. I don't think 'passing' and 'living stealth' should be a thing in the era of Pride - it's as if gay men were being encouraged to marry women and praised for 'acting straight'. Its a hangover from the 50s/60s heteronormative obsession, with a dash of 70s misogynist sexual 'liberation' added in. I don't see how people can't understand that.

I agree, he can get breast cancer. But not because his breasts are growing, just because everyone can. He still needs prostate checks, as all men do.

I too am scared. I got a bollocking from my brother for suggesting I'd like to keep youth hostel dorms women only. He actually yelled at me, something he never does. I just vowed never to talk to him about it again; my mild, friendly, supportive, gay brother thinks I'm a bigot