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Wow!! Thank you Jackie Doyle-Price 👏🏽

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RenGreen · 06/01/2022 00:25

Sex matters: government needs to stand up for women

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/22962836-6e46-11ec-a1b8-3009dadbed4f?shareToken=e36e58102046a0da908fa7a3f914f7ca

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thinkingaboutLangCleg · 08/01/2022 23:32

When you're trying to twist facts and observed reality to fit into a fantasy-based ideological position, it's hard to write clearly. The more clearly you wrote, the more clearly you would expose the nonsense you're trying to sell.

When you're telling the truth, and backing your argument with facts, it's natural to write clearly.

That's why Jackie Doyle-Price's article, like so many comments by the wise women of FWR, is an excellent example of clear thinking and clear writing.

Slothtoes · 08/01/2022 23:06

Thank you Ren for posting the share token. Thank you Jacqui Doyle-Price MP for writing this brilliant article. I feel emotional reading it. That’s an MP 100000% all over the issues and on top of her brief. Just all of it, she’s got it note perfect.

It makes me feel emotional because for years so many of us have been writing to our MPs on these issues and many of us getting no reply, or nothing sensible back. Yet we carry on writing to our MPs because its the right, democratic thing to do. And now look!. Here’s an MP not only whose done her homework extremely thoroughly but she’s saying it in public and writing it up in the Times, the paper of record. I honestly didn’t think I’d ever see it and it gives me a lot of hope. Flowers
I’m a Labour voter with nobody to vote for but I am extremely happy to see any MP sticking up for women and hope that many of her colleagues on all sides will follow her. How brilliant Glitterball

ChristinaXYZ · 08/01/2022 21:59

@newnamesa

Brilliant article. Women like Jackie Doyle Price are the reason I now vote Tory.
Me too. Never thought this would happen.
Waftypants · 07/01/2022 22:19

Thanks for sharing, I needed something positive. This is refreshing to read. We need more politicians to speak out like this.

RenGreen · 07/01/2022 18:28

Censorship

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RenGreen · 07/01/2022 18:27

Hmmm frustrating they’ve been turned off

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Blessex · 07/01/2022 18:19

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MidnightMoor · 07/01/2022 15:27

The comments appear to be turned off now Shock

RenGreen · 06/01/2022 22:39

I’m really impressed by the comments and the overall agreement with the article in the comments section of The Times. If makes absolute common sense.

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WallaceinAnderland · 06/01/2022 18:15

Absolutely fantastic. So true and sensible. We have come a long way since the 'no debate' days. It's astonishing how arrogant Stonewall are and how far they have pushed their agenda. If Tory government back this they will get my vote in a flash. There is nothing more important in politics right now imo.

doublemonkey · 06/01/2022 18:09

Excellent. So concise and clear. Definitely a vote winner.

CruellaDeVilla · 06/01/2022 18:00

Brilliant, good for her

poorchurchmouse · 06/01/2022 17:59

Wish she was my MP!

Blackandwhitehorse · 06/01/2022 17:57

A brilliant clear summary.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/01/2022 14:32

I really like Jackie, I'm not a Tory and I'm completely disillusioned with Labour but I would vote for either her or Rosie Duffield if they were standing in my constituency. For their integrity and clear thinking.

LilithRises · 06/01/2022 13:02

Yes, yes, yes! What a refreshing article - someone who clearly gets it.

Thank you

Stonewall have promoted a dangerous and absurd ideology

stickygotstuck · 06/01/2022 12:27

Excellent stuff.

This comment is what I've beenwondering for years -

The bigger question for the rule of law in a democracy is how did a political pressure group like Stonewall get to write regulations for public and private sector organisations to follow?

PankhurstConnection · 06/01/2022 12:15

@Helleofabore

Jackie has been brave for a very long time. Just like Rosie Duffield. They hold fast against the abuse they get to uphold women’s rights.

Thank you to them both.

Yes this, she really has stood up for women as has Rosie.
ArabellaScott · 06/01/2022 12:12

What's that quote about not being able to reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into?

Fits dear Caroline to a tee, I suspect.

That's a good quote, and could be applied to many feelings-based positions.

ErrolTheDragon · 06/01/2022 11:09

It's a commendably clear and comprehensive piece.

MidnightMoor · 06/01/2022 10:01

I'm planning on buying physical copies (have online sub) and sending the article cutting to my MSPs and MPs by post who haven't yet responded to my emails.

ANewCreation · 06/01/2022 10:00

Exactly, no point holding your nose and voting Tory if your MP's views are more in line with Caroline Nokes' rather than Jackie Doyle-Price's.

Excellent article but quite amusing that the otherwise spot-on Jackie Doyle-Price calls it the Equalities rather than the Equality Act throughout!

"Sex is the biggest determinant of our health. Various conditions have very different pathologies in men and women so it is vital that their medical records are accurate so that patients can be called for their crucial screenings.

Yet the NHS’s confused approach allows medical records to refer to gender rather than sex, putting this at risk. Stonewall’s political agenda is literally putting people’s health at risk."

I've just filled in an NHS covid vaccine consent form for my daughter asking for 'gender at birth' - choices are 'male', 'female' 'prefer not to say' and 'unspecified'.
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This is how we end up with 'woman' and 'female' both as gender terms and people being able to say 'oh, but the NHS agrees that female is a gender term...

A spot-on comment too: -

"Stonewall get millions from the government. Let them set up services for transgender people. Surprising that they haven't already given that Stonewall says that they are the most vulnerable group on the planet. Really? And yet you provide no services for them?"

teawamutu · 06/01/2022 09:53

@CasparBloomberg

My MP is Caroline Noakes who I thought was excellent as a constituency MP and on womens issues, plus willing to stand up to cabinet … right up until her committee reported. Hope she takes on this counter to her committees report and flips right back.
What's that quote about not being able to reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into?

Fits dear Caroline to a tee, I suspect.

highame · 06/01/2022 09:50

I am watching the US with interest. If the Democrats have a bad time in November, it will be, by and large, because centrists see the hard left of the Democrats holding sway. If Republicans take a lot of seats, it might make our 'progressive' parties have a re-think. After all, Sir Keir is benefitting from a slide in popularity of Boris Johnson, not the Labour party being fit for government. The jury's still out and I think women will have a lot to say in the lead up to the next election.

Bit of divergence but worth saying

CasparBloomberg · 06/01/2022 09:37

My MP is Caroline Noakes who I thought was excellent as a constituency MP and on womens issues, plus willing to stand up to cabinet … right up until her committee reported. Hope she takes on this counter to her committees report and flips right back.

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