What has Stewart Lee done?

I feel for Graham I really do. He's out there furiously pointing at the Emperor and getting flack for it. I fear for Stewart Lee's health and well-being after watching his show the other night. If they do get together in private, I hope they have the paramedics on standby. I don't know where all this shit is going. I just want to teleport to the future and look back and see how it all sorted itself out.

I'm sure it won't be solved on the frontier of comedy but comedy does hold a mirror up to society. I just know that some people are holding back their thoughts because they know those thoughts, if expressed, will damage them. In comedy. In real-life. And that's not healthy.

He's piled on the pounds (haven't we all - well I have a few kilos too much) and since he is some middle-class quinoa, feta cheese quiche aware type of guy he should know all too well what that presages. I think his opening remarks were to address the literal elephant in the room - himself!

I couldn't work out if his whole look with that jacket and everything was supposed to be taking the piss out of offensive 1970s comdedians, a play on the 'let himself go' thing, or if he really has let himself go!

Maybe he really is just too clever for me!

Oh, and watching him on Snowflake the other night he has really let himself go.

Stewart Lee is absolutely cut from the same cloth as Billy 'but I campaigned for abortion rights and against DV, what more do you bitches want' Bragg.

They will claim to be 'feminists', will make jokes about overt misogynists, and make all the right noises.

But when it comes to down to it, men always come first.

Didn’t he also name check mumsnet? And in the lazy ‘ooo nasty right wing mommie pearl clutchers’?

His stage persona is a character, one who nails his colours to the left-wing, woke flag pole.

It is. So let's judge him by what he says and does in real life. It turns out that in real life, he has also nailed his colours to the woke flagpole and is too much of a coward to stand up for JK Rowling or any other victims of this vicious persecution.

It's clear that a lot of you don't get SL and a lot of the quotes from shows are taken out of context.

His stage persona is a character, one who nails his colours to the left-wing, woke flag pole. I haven't seen this list so can't comment on that.

Smug and superior. I ‘met’ him at a ‘cd signing’ after a gig. The cd was part if the ticket but you had to queue up for an audience with SL to collect it. He looked like he really couldn’t be arsed (so why do it??) and definitely had superiority vibes.

he thinks he is so much smarter than everyone else in the room. Like an adult explaining electricity to a toddler.

I saw that. Glinner was so angry with Lee. And rightly so. I wish Graham could just go to some tropical island where nobody has ever heard of Willoughby , Lee or the Izzard of Was. Do him the world of good.

But these ' comedians' - aren't ya sick of them? I'm not their fucking analyst. Rather watch Tim Vine. Or an episode of Fr.Ted.

I should have read the OP and have just watched this Graham Linehan is a genius and the pile on him is beyond bad. Starting to see Lee through different eyes now.

There's a certain group of people who want to control content, and control who gets to perform, even if they have no intention of ever going to see the show themselves.

Lee won't even support Jerry Sadowitz, purely because he's gone out of fashion with the kind of people who go to see Stewart Lee shows.

Yes, I don't think Lee wants to offend his audience. But I don't think his opinions are that far away from his audiences, either.

Glinner sees the cowardice at the comedy-face, and how this middle class ideology has effectively made comedy pointless.

He has brought his whole self to the fray. And god love him for that.

Graham's lost his career and his reputation over supporting women's rights. Not surprising he'd be disgusted to see Lee won't even support Jerry Sadowitz, purely because he's gone out of fashion with the kind of people who go to see Stewart Lee shows. It really shows Lee's cowardice.

Glinner was nearly i tears and accusing SL of not being right about trans stuff tonight.

i am confused about what is going on, but it all seems a bit tense

I flip-flop over SL watched Snowflake on iplayer last night and found it very good and laughed a lot if somewhat mildy disgusted at self-congratulatory at how wonderful he all is amongst his doting coterie. He constructs the arc of his show and his famous callbacks very artfully and with consummate skill (sounding like an arty ponce myself.

SL not Kitson.

I used to like him, but he's disappeared too far up his own arse now.

He's very OCD and the temper might be a spectrum thing and notorious to work with. TBH whilst he is amazingly poetic I find him a bit too narcissistic and misanthropic for my tastes. A bit of a cult around him though as he has eschewed TV since Phoenix Nights where he and Peter Kay were mortal enemies apparently.

Its a middle class ideology, they are firmly middle class themselves.

This.

My opinion may be out of date (like my styles!)

will have another look, with your comment in mind.

I find Kitson too clever for my feeble mind and he can have a real temper. Saw the one with all the light bulbs at the Traverse and he went off the rails and had a right rant at the techies. Swearing and cursing... and was bored witless by all the tape machines at Summerhall. My friend though extolled his virtues whilst decrying my lack of intellect to understand the 'master'.

BC left school at 14 and worked for the Daily Mail for a number of years. We accuse a lot of women of being privileged and leading sheltered, middle-class lives (which is my life too btw) but I thought she might be different.

Its a middle class ideology, they are firmly middle class themselves.

This ideology virtually ignores poverty and limited opportunities because of lack of contacts, instead it looks at very small groups. It makes sense when people who are already established favour minority inclusion, because its about limiting their competition.

Why would they open the door to the masse?

I love Daniel Kitson! Proper funny man.

I wonder if Lee and Richard Herring have talked about Sadowitz lately?

this is an old post from Herring’s blog but he is very supportive of Sadowitz.

www.richardherring.com/press/6286/interview_with_the_scotsman_about_jerry_sadowitz.html

these are Herring’s recent comments on Sadowitz:

I was saddened to see that Jerry Sadowitz has had his second of two performances cancelled by the Pleasance. Jerry was one of the first acts I ever saw at the Fringe back in 87 and is a master of offence and over the years I have found his shows challenging and upsetting. Which is what they are supposed to be. It is more theatre than comedy in some ways and to complain about him being offensive is like asking the actor who plays Macbeth to be arrested for murder. His audience should know what they’re getting into, as should any theatre that books him. Ultimately it works as an act, because it’s about self-hatred and Jerry is the lowest of the low, striking out at everyone, saying things he shouldn’t say without discrimination (ie he is terribly offensive about everyone), railing against the Universe because of his own unhappiness with his lot. I can’t tell you how much truth there is in it, but the joke is on Jerry and his shows are an incredible rollercoaster and one that comes with a warning. Last time I saw him he really challenged my sensibilities on a number of topics and made me feel very shocked and even unhappy. Which is why it was an amazing show. Good to be challenged.
I don’t know the full details of what caused his show to be cancelled, though it seems to be because the set didn’t conform to the values of the Pleasance, so it is likely to be about him using forbidden words. But that’s the point of him. So the Pleasance should have made that decision before they put him on at all. It’s not like he’s a new act. Whatever the truth it is another example of the Fringe not feeling very Fringey this year and whether he’s guilty of something unforgiveable or not, it made me unhappy to hear about it. Jerry has nothing but disdain for me (at least in the occasional mentions in his act), but that doesn’t stop me wanting him to be able to carry on what he’s doing.

from this blog post dated August 13th:

www.richardherring.com/warmingup/13/8/2022/index.html