Spectator transwoman journalist

No?

That’s it? A flat no.

Given the utter lack of respect for women inherent in that statement, I really would like to know why any woman should respect your position. Mutual respect clearly not forthcoming, is it?

So, respectfully, I counter your “no” with a “no, thank you” to your demands.

Beyond the reach of GC people.

Keeping out of women's spaces then. Good to hear it.

I'm afraid that ship has long since sailed, and it wasn't GC people who shoved it over the horizon.

Female people are not resources to suck up disadvantage and provide for male people's needs by their presence. There's no way back to where things were before the TRAs broke this.

Some posters are very selective in what they choose to respond to.

The only way is stealth. A GR certificate is now a liability. Just burn it and stand by what is on the replacement birth certificate. Real TS don't go through the transition process to become something in between.

Well, that's reassuring. 'Stealth', aye?

'Real' TS?

I think the answer as to why we never get an answer lies here

I'm always happy to answer questions about my own work, including the Quillette piece on autogynephilia

This is what DH wants to discuss.

they should be allowed to use the toilets appropriate to the gender in which they are presenting.

This is problematic. What about safeguarding for women and girls? Do you still hold the positions that those who 'identify' as women should still use women's spaces?

If so, why?

It's all rather "We speak for trans people! (But not those ones!)"

Rather like "We represent all LGBT+ people! (But not those LGBT+ people who have different political beliefs)" from Stonewall.

This isn't a trans movement, this isn't an LGBT+ movement, it's a political lobby movement where the one and only defining characteristic that unifies all members is an agreement with the political ideology. Let's be honest about this.

I’m curious as to why the question on whether Dr Hayton stands by the school guidance never gets answered.

I’ve seen it asked numerous times.

Why not?

Also very curious about the rules regarding which people are “correctly” trans and which people aren’t, and who gets to decide, which again, I have never seen answered.

Ironic that you post this directly after several GC commenters are also trying to silence, discredit and disparage the same TW for not towing the political line.

And that's relevant how?

I think you'll find the point was the illustration of how those at the forefront of what they call 'trans rights', and professional well known public figures, are absolutely intolerant of trans people who don't hold the political party line demanded of them. And wish very much to give the impression that those trans voices don't really exist.

Rather like the desperate repetition that females affected by this politics don't really exist. And safeguarding issues affected by this politics don't really exist.

Only popping onto this thread to say I've been looking out for R0 for some time - Happy new year!

I don't think safeguarding is a political line?

If a male teacher has AGP, having the children call him ‘miss’ would be involving the children in his sexual fetish.

This can never, ever, ever be right, and is a huge safeguarding breach.

I'll reminisce too that the most genuinely horrible, nasty put down I have ever seen on MN (and that includes AIBU) was addressed from a TRA poster to a trans person who dared to have a different view and opinion.

Tolerance, love, kindness and respect for diversity in this political lobby? Oh that there ain't. At all. This isn't a trans movement, it's a political movement frantically hushing and vanishing any dissenting voices amongst LGBT+ people. Thanks for the highly useful demo.

You'd think so, wouldn't you? But no, answering that question doesn't benefit Hayton in any way so it gets ignored.

Only got to page one before hey presto, one TW politically leaping in to silence, discredit and disparage another TW who's not holding the political line.

And that tells you all you need to know really. Just to mention too, we're talking about two professional, well known TW here, this can't be brushed off as two kids on Twitter.

For example, a male teacher might want to attend a staff party as a woman. In that case they would probably prefer to use a female name and feminine pronouns, and they should be allowed to use the toilets appropriate to the gender in which they are presenting.

Yeah I am concerned about kids. I am concerned about, you know, my female friends and their rights.

Here's a question, Debbie. Are both these positions yours?

My understanding that you wrote guidance for schools that include advising that the pupils should call a male miss, even if he has AGP and that he should be able to use the female facilities.

How does that square away with you being concerned women's and girls rights?

Then you’ll also be happy to talk about the NASUWT guidance, and whether you still stand by what you wrote in it?

I'm always happy to answer questions about my own work, including the Quillette piece on autogynephilia and the unherd piece on "why I became trans"
quillette.com/2020/02/02/i-may-have-gender-dysphoria-but-i-still-prefer-to-base-my-life-on-biology-not-fantasy/
unherd.com/2021/08/why-i-became-trans/

They make some attempt to explain what I suspect accounts for most late-onset MTF transsexualism. These ideas divide opinion on different lines to the usual divisions in this debate.

That poor woman went through hell. And they say AGP is a victimless paraphilia? Not for the wives and children.

But even among those of us who speak out I find social media imposes orthodoxies on us according to the group we are in. It is safer to conform to the views of the group than stand aside from it and say things like, "I've been thinking, and I don't think that's right."

Dr Hayton has repeatedly described an "insatiable" desire to change his body.

Unherd article:
'Why I became trans
The psychological distress was so severe, I felt I had no choice'
BY DEBBIE HAYTON
August 24, 2021
(extract)
"So why am I also transsexual? What could have caused psychological distress so severe that I felt I had no choice but to transition? At the time — nine years ago — the urge to change not only my social presentation but also my body was irresistible." (continues)
unherd.com/2021/08/why-i-became-trans/

Youtube interview with Maya
'A conversation with Debbie Hayton. AGP, transition , the trans movement and God'
4 Sept 2021
(transcript extracts)
"I'd learned that other people were transitioning. I started talking to
people who were transitioning and I was desperate to do it myself. I didn't really understand why at the time, didn't understand what was going on inside me, but the the urge and the need to do it was insatiable. In the end within about a year or so of that I transitioned" (continues)

"People say, "why are you campaigning on this?"
Yeah I am concerned about kids. I am concerned about, you know, my female friends and their rights.

But you know I came into this in 2016 purely out of self-interest, you know, and that was where I came from.

I was aware, like you said, the gatekeeping has always been well, there's a bit of gatekeeping. But I turned up at the gender clinic
and told them what I wanted, you know? The first time I went straight from work. I turned up my shirt and tie and said I want to transition and I want you to help me. (continues)

Yeah yeah, the public thought there was some some huge gatekeeping going on and there wasn't. It was always bluff.

And then when this self-id thing came out I'm thinking, you don't want to shine a light on this, you really don't.
Because the the brighter the light you shine on it, then everybody will realize that there is no gatekeeping. So they're gonna have to start applying some. And secondly, anybody who wants to subvert safeguarding procedures to avoid boundaries is gonna be attracted to this, like a magnet.

Yeah yeah and that's exactly what's happened yeah, so I, you know, I wrote at the time, just keep this quiet we don't want to talk about this" (continues)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG4v7UYzTKY

relevant thread (from page 7)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4303993-posie-parker-s-latest-glasgow?pg=7

It shouldn't require much thinking to recognise what is not right and the reasons why.