Disagreement with husband about trans debate

In the end.

Anyone who asserts that sex is irrelevant to prisons, sports, risks, crime prevalence etc
That females (lesbians!) are as much risk to the population as males, when it comes to violence/ sex crime.
And etc etc etc.

Is simply telling porkies. A few may believe it. But given that even the most fervent TWAW people constantly reveal that they don't believe it at all, by using women/girls meaning female when they feel like it.

Cowardly hypocritical behaviour demonstrating extreme misogyny.

Transwomen are the bravest people who walk the earth if you believe the fawning that goes on, even by some women on this board towards trans posters. Why the need to disown it and claim womanhood? What is it actually about?

Hardly anyone here male or female bothers reporting sexually motivated appalling shit done by males. Any of it.

And stable door...
It's all just fun rubbing our noses in our situation. That's all.

[quote Waitwhat23]@CheeseMmmm you've reminded me of a comment made earlier in the thread by a poster who, in response to a comment about women being at greater risk of violence if males are allowed to enter women's single sex spaces (toilets in this instance), said something like 'if you get attacked in the toilets, you can report it same as you would if anyone of any gender attacked you in the toilet'. What are rape convictions like at the moment? Isn't it sitting at something like 1%? But we're being told that it's kinder to just to get attacked and trust that some sort of justice will happen afterwards.[/quote]
Why don't they suggest the same advice to males?

Males can use male single-sex spaces, and if attacked, they can report it!

It's a fact that males sexually attacking females is inevitable. The issue to be tackled is the prejudice that so many women and girls have after these events negatively impacting males. It makes them feel variously sad, angry, otherered, excluded, and it's just downright not fair.
They need to stop being so emotional and irrational about it.

Oh hohoho... Yep!
Can't those who think women need to stop being so silly come up with new arguments?

I suppose the one this relates to is fairly new, but v popular-

'I am incredibly sorry that this happened to you and you are still feeling the effects, he is/was awful. I think honestly we should close debate because I don't want to bring up past trauma for anyone else'

1. Some women/girls having experienced sexual abuse/ sex assaults etc (some? Come off it!) of course have issues around it, but that's no reason to exclude a whole group of people from using the right spaces for them!

1. Women weaponising their trauma is an underhand move. (See responses to jkr).

1. The thing to do is to get women/ girls to 'reframe' their trauma (copyright CEO Edinburgh rape crisis).

@CheeseMmmm you've reminded me of a comment made earlier in the thread by a poster who, in response to a comment about women being at greater risk of violence if males are allowed to enter women's single sex spaces (toilets in this instance), said something like 'if you get attacked in the toilets, you can report it same as you would if anyone of any gender attacked you in the toilet'. What are rape convictions like at the moment? Isn't it sitting at something like 1%? But we're being told that it's kinder to just to get attacked and trust that some sort of justice will happen afterwards.

The same with burglary - some houses are going to get broken into, so don't bother locking the door, a locked door won't stop a determined burglar. It's a strange argument.

Do you take the same it's inevitable so why even think about what can be done angle with male/male crime like-

Racist attacks
Homophobic attacks
Men being raped by men
Young men being stabbed to death
Men being arrested imprisoned flogged etc in some countries for vocally fighting oppressive governments?

If you get a kicking, or are raped, or are mugged at gunpoint by blokes.

Do you shrug and think. That's life what can anyone do?

DeckardK

I find the argument, which is used frequently,

That there's no probs with males accessing any and all previously single sex spaces,

Because it's a fact that penis people are going to sexually attack/rape bodies with vaginas anyway, and nothing can change that...

A bizarre way to attempt to convince females whatever their age of anything.

It's not actually supposed to do that is it.

Obviously.

It's about reminding vagina people of their vulnerability to sexual violence from testicle types.
About reminding us that MVAWG is incredibly common, and that very little in practice is done about it.

It's about reminding us that males can do what they want, including rape, torture, abduction and so on. And we can't stop them.

It's saying males are in charge. Don't forget that. If they want to violate you, whether you're 5, 15, 35 or 85 then they will so why the fuck do you keep whining on. It's your lot in life. Put up and shut up.

I mean no one surely thinks telling us that our small children, teens, us, our mothers are totally vulnerable to sexually motivated dodgy behaviour/ crime committed by males and that's that. Is a winning argument!

Hardly making yourself clear or being polite, was it?

Are you usually so inattentive to your surroundings?

I don't get the /gen thing, but I suppose that's because I presume everyone is posting genuinely unless they specify otherwise.

Every so often I realise how naïve I am!

@VestofAbsurdity good point and also I don't want men changing in with me when I go swimming. So I'd like the tag team to tell me what I'm supposed to do as I'm a woman who wants women's facilities.

Waitwhat23

Next time you see that, tell them not to be so heteronormative and that female-only households exist.

Thanks for the /gen information all

I guess some people just find it easier to make themselves clear from the start. Its also just politeness :]

'Your toilet at home is mixed sex'.

it is a tone indicator, used to ensure neurodivergent people can be included in conversation as some of them can have difficulty with reading tone in text (myself included)

Oh, I just ask if I'm not sure if it's sarcasm.

I'd like to know whether the women excluded will get a refund on their council tax liability.

Seems a bit much to have to pay to fund public toilets when the council has said "fuck your needs and go to the toilet in your own house if you need a male-free room to urinate in".

I would like our two tag team posters who are insisting that TW use the female only single sex spaces and services what you propose for those women that cannot use those those facilities if there is any chance of a male being in there, women who are already at the very outer margins of society, what happens to them? Are you saying that they don't matter at all? You are happy that their already limited access to society is further removed?

If you are then that is stone, cold misogyny and pure hatred of women.

Let's just take a moment to admire the male supremacism there

Indeed, Artichokeleaves, it is a true wonder to behold seeing it right there, up front wearing no disguise, and, of course, no misogyny in that at all, no, absolutely not, no way, never.

And yes, what is /gen

Or is it one of those "tell me you are under the age of 40 without telling me you are under the age of 40" - or some such thing?

As a trans person myself, it takes a lot of energy to pass as the gender that I want to pass as. I think if someone is willing to work that hard to pass as a woman, they wouldn't be intent on rape or sexual assault.There are always exceptions, and I believe anyone who trusts me enough to confide in me. /gen This is however, a minority of people.

As a woman I don't care. I can't tell which man entering a single sex female space is a good man or a man with bad intent. I would argue that ANY male entering such a space has bad intent, especially if he has already been told that his presence, makes women uncomfortable.

And women can always recognise a male body, no matter how much it has been "feminised". We have to, are encouraged to from a very early age, to try and keep us safe from the greater strength, speed and personal violence rates of males as a class.

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