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Trans prisoners ‘switch gender again’ once freed from women’s units

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NutellaEllaElla · 02/01/2022 17:31

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"On Christmas Eve, Scotland’s prison population stood at 7,435, with only 259 listed as women. A total of 15 prisoners were trans, 12 of them trans women and three trans men. It is understood that all are currently held in female units as previous experience of trans men in the male estate had caused tensions."

"In England and Wales there have been a small number of incidents of violence and sexual violence involving female prisoners being attacked by trans prisoners....The study by Dr Matthew Maycock of Dundee University’s school of education and social work turned up no such disturbing behaviour in Scotland, with only some discomfort about very limited consensual sexual activity.

One Scottish Prison Service (SPS) source said: “There have been incidents, but very minor. No one can say for certain that nothing significant has happened, but if it has none has been reported.”

However, Maycock’s report did identify fears among female inmates of predatory behaviour by some trans prisoners, with one suggesting “the transitions of transgender people might be an attempt by paedophiles or other sex offenders to access cis-women in the female prison estate”.

Another woman told of a transwoman prisoner in her work party whose views “were totally wrong. He wanted to be in this hall because he wanted to have sex with loads of lassies.”

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Artichokeleaves · 02/01/2022 18:26

Gosh I'm surprised. Are you surprised? I was surprised.

As for 'not much reported' - we know that many women's reports are denied, not recorded, lost, eaten by the Welsh Govt's dog..... great lengths are gone to to avoid recording because the evidence is really not wanted. There are MNetters who have attended a formal meeting to discuss concerns who then experienced those who led the meeting denying it had ever taken place or any woman had ever raised a concern with them.

So pull the other one, it's got bloody bells on it.

heathspeedwell · 02/01/2022 18:23

Another interesting point raised in the comments is that 15 trans women out of a prison population of 259 women is 6% - far higher than in the general population.

It's almost as if male people who identify as trans don't behave in the same way as female people.

heathspeedwell · 02/01/2022 18:17

Just read that the policy to place male offenders in women's prisons was signed off by Gordon Pike, then a manager in the Scottish Prison Service. And now a convicted paedophile.

And these people think they are 'being kind'.

BloomingTrees · 02/01/2022 18:14

the transitions of transgender people might be an attempt by paedophiles or other sex offenders to access cis-women in the female prison estate

But, I thought that would never happen.

TurquoiseBaubles · 02/01/2022 18:14

Also, still no mention of the prison officers. Every single day women prison officers are being sexually assaulted by being forced to search men. Will I be deleted if I suggest that some (at least) of the men enjoy that both from a sexual and a power point of view?

heathspeedwell · 02/01/2022 18:12

“It is a cruel and unusual punishment when failing to pay your TV licence can result in being forced to share a shower with a male sex offender. Single-sex prisons need to be reinstated immediately; the prison service has already shown it is capable of safely housing men, however they identify, in the male estate.”

IncompleteSenten · 02/01/2022 18:11

Shocker.

ShagMeRiggins · 02/01/2022 18:10

”It is understood that all are currently held in female units as previous experience of trans men in the male estate had caused tensions."

Yes, of course. Transmen (females) experience “tensions” when incarcerated with males. Sorry to be so ineloquent, but fucking duh.

Solution?

Let’s incarcerate natal males with females (honestly, I don’t care if you have a penis or not, though not having a penis might help a bit), because no “tensions” exist when females are incarcerated with males.

Oh, hang on…

Budge over. Be kind, ladies. Your entire existence is based on accommodating males, their violence, and most certainly their feelings. Do remember your place.

waterbaby21 · 02/01/2022 18:10

How much do you want to bet that the 'fully transitioned' male simply has some fake boobs? I doubt the genitalia is gone!

Goatsaregreat · 02/01/2022 18:07

Funny isn't it how every single thing women warned would happen is happening - despite all the attempts to hide everything and threaten those asking questions Hmm

SandingWithMyUnshavenLegs · 02/01/2022 17:59

Quelle surprise.

TurquoiseBaubles · 02/01/2022 17:57

Not a single comment in support. What a surprise.

titchy · 02/01/2022 17:54

I'm shocked I tell you.

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