Top winning woman on the American show Jeopardy .

Santa quick q sorry.

Do you mean like USA spelling competitions?

Is that happening in UK/ or different areas of UK, or have you lived overseas where it's a thing? Just interested partly because different cultures etc can have different norms etc around a fair bit of stuff.

I'm London basically. Lived somewhere else for couple years but not far, Manchester!

Or because they don't get supported/ get subtly or overtly pushed away from various related things.

Certainly sex role says competitive is a boys thing. Individual or team.

Girls stereotype is around working together, part of a team. Collaboration. The successes are for the group.
V determined competitive for girl/woman. Not quite... Right. At societal level.

Oh and just remembered.
Obvious massive thing is reactions of boys/ men when in any situation esp 1-1 up against girl/woman.

I couldn't count the number of times I've experienced/ seen various negative reactions from subtle to extreme, and even often to the fact they're up against a girl/woman in the first place. Let alone the result!

One things that's struck me in the past is that when you look at spelling competitions, girls are very competative and often winners.

So maybe it is that women get busier with other things as they get older. Or even, find fulfillment in other things. There have been women in the arts who say that having children blunts their desire for artistic creation to some extent. Because the children become, in some sense, their work.

Quiz type activities are also not especially people oriented, and across a wide range of activities it seems that women prefer more people oriented activities than men. They'd rather do a book club or quilting circle than trainspotting.

Also more likely to apply to be on TV than women for a variety of reasons I think as well.

On quiz success men, just my ideas feel free to challenge-

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Boys men seem to be more prone to getting really fixated on a single area of interest...

Or is it that (nature/nurture/socialisation) boys girls men women are the same on the massive focus on single thing, but the things they are focused on are different?

With stereotypical male interests (eg wars, politicians, different types of vehicle, sports etc) being more 'important' and the sorts of things in quiz shows. While stereotypical female interests...

(and see I can't really think of any obvious ones! Maybe... History of certain fashion designer, um. I can't think! There must be lots but I suspect most seen as 'trivial'. My gran could have been quizzed on Dallas! My other gran on living with a really old school patriarchal husband...).

And actually this ^ leads onto next points...

1. In recent decades and still v much now as well, across society blokes tend to have more free time for interests hobbies etc than women most notably when have children. But even before, girls generally are more likely involved in helping housework, being taken shops, help coming etc etc with mum, women and girls more likely involved in helping/caring for relatives, that sort of thing.

And when have children it's way more marked, the gap in free time.

So just don't have so much opportunity to really get head into a thing for s generous wedge of time.

1. The competitive, dick swingy, lists behaviour. The amount of times I've seen men, or had a man when talking to me about a shared interest.

Rather than having a general chat it turns quickly into. Prove your interest to me by answering my questions! Bet I know more than you...

Like the smiths? What year was their 3rd single released? What brand of hearing aid Morrissey totp? Marr stated fave guitar, what brand and model?
That sort of stuff. V annoying imo.

Knowing lists of facts, years etc. Is v male trait. Because part of the male hierarchy thing?

On quizzes yes definitely male majority contestants.
Bit better now than few decades ago.

But then news Inc 'talking heads', competitions, quiz, panel comedy things etc etc all are male dominated.

Interestingly although we're told that masculinity means men vv curtailed from feeling able to step too far outside strict masculine norms,
Sewing bee, bake off, the jewelry one, plenty male contestants.
Which is aok, obviously, just making the point that men are majority most of the time.

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Really?

Given your post on sexism in your workplace?

I think genuine transwomen exist and it is an aspect of womanhood, a very different one to the one we experience but womanhood none the less. I don't think with things where its an even playing field there should even be gendered categories personally. (I do thinks sports however should be sex based).“

When you say this:
“I think transwomen exist and it is an aspect of womanhood, a very different one to the one we have experience but womanhood none the less”,

I rather disagree with what you have written as I think a better to put it would be that transwomen exist and are an aspect of manhood - all be it a version of manhood adapted by making the men involved to superficially resemble women.

As to the show, a transwoman won it, not a woman in this case.

I remember reading that the producers of University Challenge wanted to have more female competitors on but a lot of women were put off by the fact that all female competitors attract a lot of criticism and/or sexual comments on sm after broadcast.

Given that I am a woman, that's obvious bullshit and not comparable. The fact is there's plenty of posters here who will find any problem at all with any trans person who's presumptuous enough to exist in public, because they're lugging around transphobic baggage so heavy it's putting their back out. This is a prime example of that, genuinely who gives a shit if a trans woman does well at Jeopardy, good for her, but oh no it's somehow a terrible problem.

This is gaslighting.

You're putting words into people's mouths that they have not said.

You're accusing people of having a problem "with transpeople existing" or "doing well at Jeopardy".

You're going to accuse posters here of "wanting to erase transpeople" or "wanting transpeople to die" next.

We've heard it all before. It's gaslighting. It won't wash.

Who had the highest score in a quiz show is trivial.

Calling a man 'a woman' or 'female' is a lie, and the heart of the whole issue, which is the appropriation by men of the words used to describe our sex class, and consequently appropriation of our rights and spaces.

The creep to claim the word female is really problematic in my view. It puts the lie to the idea that it is a sex/gender issue for activists.

This person could be the top transwoman score, though maybe that's not enough of a field to feel like an accomplishment. IN which case maybe be content to be a male score, not the top, like all but one other male.

Let’s look at Mastermind. Out of the 47 winners, 11 were women. Look at any quiz show and there tend to be more men.

That's shocking.

Biology for $500

This is a prime example of that, genuinely who gives a shit if a trans woman does well at Jeopardy, good for her, but oh no it's somehow a terrible problem

You are totally missing the point.

I don't "give a shit" that a TW did well on a game show. In fact, good for them.

What I do give a shit about is them claiming that win as a female and I explained my reasons why - for you only to respond with a (now deleted) gaslighting personal attack that failed to address any of the points I made.

Personally I'd have preferred your original post to stand (I didn't report it) however, I think as we still have a pertinent quote from it in my response in turn to you, it pretty obvious what your MO is.

Honestly this cry of transphobia at any defence of women's rights is boringly predictable and to use your descriptor, "presumptuous" in the extreme.

blue

You are completely right…I’ll change it for you

Fundamentally, it sounds like blues problem is that other women exist and blue really doesn’t like that

Its still a stupid fucking sentence I’ll grant you….but its still your sentence

This person is NOT the top scoring woman. …. Every time a TW takes a "woman" spot on a list it underscores the ideology they should be there in the first place and that’s a gateway into "inclusion" into sports, refuges, prisons etc.

Exactly. That’s why even trivial-seeming examples matter.

Women achievements no matter how big or small are reserved for biological women not biological men

#Nothankyou

This is a prime example of that, genuinely who gives a shit if a trans woman does well at Jeopardy, good for her, but oh no it's somehow a terrible problem

This comes straight from your own prejudice which has become apparent across many threads blue. The concerns about having this achievement celebrated as a ‘female’ achievement are valid.

It is a by product of the push to detach the language describing females for the use of another group.

That might also have something to do with it, in a similar way that IQ tests, SATs and ACTs (American university entrance exams), and other exams/assessments potentially have unconscious bias toward the Western white male experience.

Jeopardy! has been around for decades and it’s a good show with a variety of questions. I’m sure they try their best to be diverse, but in all the years I watched I don’t remember all that many “women” questions.

In other words, agree with some of the points made above - should have read the thread, which I usually do!

I think it's rather naive to say that because there's no physical advantage to men in a quiz show, there's no advantage/difference full-stop. Think back over all the quiz shows you've seen over the past year. For me, certainly, the proportion of male to female quizzers was probably about 4:1, if that. There are probably stats out there, as I think it's a fairly widely recognised phenomenon. I don't claim to know the reason - inherent sex differences (testosterone giving male quizzers more confidence)? socialisation? structural discrimination in team/participant selection? women's relatively recent access to an accredited university education? Regardless, certainly, men dominate in this sphere, too. Maybe there's an argument for removing all categories, but as long as there a sex category does exist, even in this niche context, I think blurring the boundaries between women & transwomen is another step towards muddying data that could expose, help us to understand, and, perhaps, counter women's proportionately limited participation in yet another traditionally male-dominated field. Give women AND transwomen/men credit where credit's due, by recognising the achievements of both - more overt acknowledgement and normalisation of transwomen's involvement in the public sphere and media is surely no bad thing in any case?