Review of HP reunion in The Guardian…they just can’t help themselves

So where is one?

chances are you wouldn't deem it insightful (again, general you, not specifically you as a person).

But this isn’t true. I and everyone else have been desperate for someone to offer something. I would dismiss the ideas offered if I didn’t agree with it, but I wouldn’t dismiss it if it was a genuine effort. But there hasn’t been any.

but plenty of others on that same side think its abhorrent.

I haven’t seen many trans activists condemn the abuse at all. Maybe one or two of the ones who believe in biological reality, like Rose of Dawn. Who was then abused for defending her from abuse.

even if someone did come along and say everything you would hope to see in an "insightful" post against JKR ...
Have you actually provided any proof yet, given a link to an actual piece. Or are you waffling?

Notbad- you're kind of proving my point. You don't deem them insightful, therefore no one in the history of mankind has ever succeeded in writing an insightful post against JKR. It's all matter of opinion and even if someone did come along and say everything you would hope to see in an "insightful" post against JKR, chances are you wouldn't deem it insightful (again, general you, not specifically you as a person).
Some people on one side have sent death threats etc and some think its absolutely fine and warranted to do so, but plenty of others on that same side think its abhorrent. That goes for both sides. No one "sane" likes extremists speaking on behalf of the movement they're passionate about and I've seen extremism from both sides over the past couple of years.

"And in Pride Month too!"

But the difference is one side is condemning a woman as a bigot and threatening her with death and rape, the other side is saying none of what she’s said is worthy of that. So it needs to be an extremely insightful opinion that validates the idea that she is in fact a bigot and it’s worth considering that to be true, and it needs to be an extremely insightful opinion to validate the idea that she deserves those awful threats .

Lovelyricepudding - I have. I'm not making any type of argument against JKR and saying she's transphobic. I spoke about the actors in the cast and how both sides of the argument have extremists, and how I've seen insightful posts from both sides. I've also spoken about how it will be very difficult to sufficiently explain your views to someone of the other camp, as the two sides have different values and wont "get" what the other person is saying as they fundamentally dont agree.

"It's what she said"

"Alright then, it's not what she said, it's the way that she said it"

"Fine, it's not the way she said it, it's the fact that she said anything at all"

"Well, it's not so much that she said something, as what she didn't say"

Etc etc etc

I didn't watch it on the grounds that JKR had been banned.

I take it then that you have not actually read a word JKR has written on this? Your arguments are totally disingenious.

Notbad - Again, the transphobia is there in their opinion, much the same as the transphobia is not there in others opinion. Having read some of the insightful posts that are "against" JKR (because they do exist), as well as having read insightful posts that are "with" JKR, I can see what both sides are saying and that both sides believe their opinions are valid/correct.

Lovelyricepudding - Where are you getting that from? I haven't said that in the slightest, nor believe it.

What I have seen is insightful and truthful posts quoting her words that show transphobia

This isn’t true, because none of her words show transphobia. It’s not possible you’ve seen any posts like this, let alone insightful ones.

people seem to have different opinions on what is transphobic and what isn't, what is contributing to transphobia and what isn't etc etc

And people have asked posters to explain why they think it’s transphobic etc, and we have been given nothing. We don’t turn our noses up at insightful explanations, because we have never been given any explanation, let alone one that could subjectively or objectively be called insightful.

Until we get any explanation as to why she is transphobic or why what she’s said is transphobic, your assertion that her supporters will turn their noses up at such insightful opinions because they’re “just as bad” is moot.

Response to WaitWhat - Yes, I have seen that. Not on Mumsnet, but I've seen that on twitter, Facebook, reddit, various other forums, tiktok etc.. like I said, there seem to be "extremists" in both camps who give the camps a bad name.

I'm sorry but that's just nonsense.

Are, now we are coming to it. You think supporting women's right is transphobic and must not be allowed? That women must STFU?

To LovelyRicePudding - I haven't said that I do find JKR transphobic?

Response to WaitWhat - Yes, I have seen that. Not on Mumsnet, but I've seen that on twitter, Facebook, reddit, various other forums, tiktok etc.. like I said, there seem to be "extremists" in both camps who give the camps a bad name.

The more level headed posts I've seen have highlighted that whilst JKR may not have tweeted out/said in an article (etc) a blatantly transphobic sentence, there have been instances where what she HAS said had contributed to transphobic "agendas", or has had a transphobic undertone without actually coming out and saying it blatantly.

*transphobic

Blackbird in what way do YOU think she is transonic. Please use primary evidence to back this up.

I shall do, sorry for filling up your inbox!

What I have seen is insightful and truthful posts quoting her words that show transphobia, however, like you say and as my point is, people seem to have different opinions on what is transphobic and what isn't, what is contributing to transphobia and what isn't etc etc which is why in my opinion, a JKR supporter would still potentially turn their nose up at a very insightful explanation, as it doesn't match with their beliefs and what they deem to be transphobic.

I didnt say that JKR supporters are "just as bad" - some are, same as some of the people who don't support JKR have taken things too far, there are "idiots" in both camps.

You've seen people who support JKR's pro woman views sending rape and death threats to those who disagree? I find that very hard to believe.

The only argument I have seen that JKR is transphobic is a link to a YouTube video by someone called Contrapoint. The regular posters on this board have asked again and again for any poster who states as fact 'JKR is transphobic' to explain, by quoting someone she has said, what is transphobic. Not once have we had an answer.

If you can find an insightful explanation that quotes her directly, rather than a fully formed propaganda piece that ignores her actually words, I’m all ears.

Yes stop the @

And I have seen quite a few mostly fully formed arguments against JKR that includes things that people have deemed transphobic, I'm not sure why I would lie about that?

But that is not the same as

someone does give a very insightful explanation of their opinion

People can fully form arguments about why she is transphobic quite easily because people are determined to see her as transphobic, but I haven’t seen a single one that is insightful, contains truths, quotes her words etc. I have seen paragraph after paragraph of people’s biased inferences and own formulations. That is not insightful. Usually it’s just lies.

These actors haven’t even done that. Just parroted slogans for Twitter likes.

@NotBadConsidering I'm on my phone so don't know how to quote, so I @ you so that others/you don't assume I'm responding to someone else, but would you like me to stop? No clue if it means you get an email or not, so if so, sorry.

And I have seen quite a few mostly fully formed arguments against JKR that includes things that people have deemed transphobic, I'm not sure why I would lie about that? It's been over the past few months in threads that arent only on the Feminism board, so whilst I can't quote them now as I don't have them to hand, I will do if I come across some this week. I didnt say that JKR supporters are "just as bad" - some are, same as some of the people who don't support JKR have taken things too far, there are "idiots" in both camps.

[quote Blackbird1234]@NotBadConsidering I get what you're saying and I agree that no one should be deemed something blindly, of course. However even if an explanation was given by one of the cast members, or anyone who disagrees with JKR, it still wouldn't be good enough. I have seen it on mumsnet as well as twitter and other forums, someone does give a very insightful explanation of their opinion and it is still deemed "not good enough" by the majority of JKR supporters. That's kind of my point - we will all base our opinion of the explanation off our own standards and people will likely always "fail" at that if you disagree with their opinion in the first place (general you, not specifically you).[/quote]
You don’t need to @ me, I’m on the thread.

You may be right that their opinion would be deemed good enough anyway, but at least it would be dismissed based on the argument put forward, not the empty platitude they have thrown out.

I haven’t seen a single person quote her words and explain how what she’s is transphobic anywhere at all, let alone on Mumsnet so I don’t think you’re telling the truth there. If you have an example I’d love to see it. It’s always

“she’s transphobic”

“Why?”

“Read what she wrote”

“I did. Why”

“Because”

So the idea that JKR supporters are just as bad at blind condemnation of those who oppose her as those who hate her are at condemning her supporters is just false.