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Research studies on female prisoners in Scotland and transgender prisoners

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dontknowwhattpputhere · 31/12/2021 14:11

I saw a reference to this study and I thought it might be of interest to the posters here:

academic.oup.com/bjc/advance-article/doi/10.1093/bjc/azab091/6370239

The above paper contains interviews with women in Scottish prisons who have been imprisoned with transgender prisoners.

These papers may also be of interest (interviews with transgender prisoners) :

journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1477370820984488

discovery.dundee.ac.uk/en/publications/i-want-the-male-and-the-female-wings-i-dont-want-a-special-trans-

N.B The term "cis" is used extensively!

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WeeBisom · 31/12/2021 15:02

I read the paper which interviewed trans inmates and a few things popped out to me. First, the trans prisoners are not at all happy about the idea of being put into a special trans only wing, even though this would address concerns about trans peoples safety. They really, really want to be put into the female estate. Second, the authors note the trans prisoners feel entitled to decide where they should be placed in prison, disregarding the risk assessment. Third, interestingly enough, the trans prisoners report they don’t want to be in a trans only wing because they don’t like being around other trans people. One prisoner says something like “ I was put in with another trans woman and couldn’t stand her because she was the type to shove it in your face.” Fourth, the prisoners complain that if they stay on a trans only wing they won’t be able to learn how to live and act as women (but I thought they WERE women?) They are very keen to be around women so they can copy them.

ArabellaScott · 31/12/2021 14:59

Women in prison in Scotland are living in a system that penalises them for objecting to being forced to share a shower or cell with a biological male.

Like a dystopian feminist novel.

Thelnebriati · 31/12/2021 14:49

The links are all showing in your post. I skim read the first link and its biased, both in language and methodology.

''She’s still a guy. I don’t know if I’m…am I allowed to say all that, right? Still a guy or whatever and I think a lot the girls has…well, a few of the girls within the hall had been subject to abuse as a child so they still saw this guy figure.''

Women in prison in Scotland are living in a system that penalises them for objecting to being forced to share a shower or cell with a biological male.
The risk of being penalised for wrong speech seems to have influenced who volunteers to speak on this subject and what they say.

Helleofabore · 31/12/2021 14:46

Is this study not meant to be propaganda? The respondents are not randomly chosen, but chosen by prison staff.

ArabellaScott · 31/12/2021 14:45

I can see three links, OP.

JustcameoutGC · 31/12/2021 14:39

That is super interesting and i think a nice attempt to do some decent research in this space. The findings are mixed and nuanced as you would expect them to be, and served as a really good reminder that it is all to easy to assume vulnerability, that the individuals concerned do not feel.

Two major, and partially acknowledged flaws are that this has been conducted by a member of prison staff, which is likely to have skewed the results (the scottish prison service is not a neutral party here). Also the prison staff chose who got to participate and there is no detail on how this was done. Both these factors will undoubtedly have skewed the results.

The paper also offers no solutions. If there is widespread gaming of the system, as the women seem to think, how is that managed?

dontknowwhattpputhere · 31/12/2021 14:22

Hmm for some reason only one of my links seems to be showing in the app. All 3 are showing on the website for me.

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