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To not understand the issue with surrogacy?

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Blackbird1234 · 30/12/2021 18:29

I've seen a few posts on some threads in this topic, from people condemning surrogacy. I don't understand why it is seen as bad, if all parties consent. Can anyone explain, please?

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Starcup · 02/01/2022 23:24

@Helleofabore

Yes, we are all again repeating answers to things that have been covered earlier in the threads. So, it is very same same.

The same inane Whataboutery. But that is quite ok. There is only 9 pages left.

Plenty of time for you to hand out gold stars to other posters….

Not for you, you’re replies, yours never deserved respect ✊
Helleofabore · 02/01/2022 23:24

Not all countries…… the most powerful country in the world accepted it.

They have 330 million plus people compared to 66 million…. 

Doesn’t see to that many opposing views…

And then

I wasn’t implying that, christ they don’t agree with abortion in some states so I don’t assume they all think alike…. Some are more backwards than others

So this wasn’t about the USA? Please clarify which country then?

Starcup · 02/01/2022 23:23

@Helleofabore

Have we run out of fish today yet jesus?

You really are indefatigable.

You could offend many people using the name Jesus in vein - how do you feel about that?
OhHolyJesus · 02/01/2022 23:22

@Starcup

The sad thing is, you and others make a mockery of real issues. That’s the sad part in a of this…
I simply can't take the irony...

Enjoy your trip about the threads on this board Star. Truly, your voice is a welcome addition. I look forward to hearing all your thoughts on feminism and where feminists have gone wrong all these years. I especially look forward to all your helpful suggestions on how things should be done from now on.

Starcup · 02/01/2022 23:21

yes

lots of people have different opinions to you

I know it seems to upset you, but it is allowed

jesus, how the fuck did you deal with Brexit?

Superb 👏👏👏

Starcup · 02/01/2022 23:19

The sad thing is, you and others make a mockery of real issues. That’s the sad part in a of this…

OhHolyJesus · 02/01/2022 23:19

Carry on, banging on about YOUR opinions. It’s comical.

I intend to, as should you, but do it with respect Star. You would want to give us all a good example wouldn't you?

A bit less sarcasm, a few more answers to questions. Did you scroll back to see the ones you missed? No?

Please stay, you’re the type of ‘feminist’ on the news that is in the middle in the M25 to stop and make people think

No I think that's possibly Extinction Rebellion or Insulate Britain you're thinking off. Excellent way to tell us what you know about feminism though. Truly enlightening.

Starcup · 02/01/2022 23:18

@Helleofabore

Yes, we are all again repeating answers to things that have been covered earlier in the threads. So, it is very same same.

The same inane Whataboutery. But that is quite ok. There is only 9 pages left.

Plenty of time for you to hand out gold stars to other posters….

The dad think is, yo,my and others make a mockery of real issues. That’s the sad part in a of this…
BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 02/01/2022 23:17

Carry on, banging on about YOUR opinions. It’s comical

it's really intriguing how much people holding opinions that are different to your own seems to upset you

Helleofabore · 02/01/2022 23:16

Ok, Jesus. I look forward to the refill of fish. And wine.

Thank you!

Starcup · 02/01/2022 23:13

@OhHolyJesus

Imagine this time in 10 years. Women will have their own voice yessss

Their own voice? 😆 oh you poor thing.

You haven't been around this board for long have you?

I'll leave you to explore what the particular type of feminism that resides here, and why it exists and also why the boards were split. There is much to learn and enjoy.

Hahaha I can see for myself. Please stay, you’re the type of ‘feminist’ on the news that is in the middle in the M25 to stop and make people think… assuming you’re achieving respect - (sadly not)

Carry on, banging on about YOUR opinions. It’s comical.

You’ve got to remember (as do most others) this is the --extremist-- view of MN and not the wider population!….,,

Grin
Helleofabore · 02/01/2022 23:10

So… you are now in favour of commercial surrogacy, and in favour of any clinic targeting vulnerable women.

Or are you simply continuing to denigrate posters as you have done for days because they have disagreed with you. And you have sought to shame the posters who disagree with you.

Plus continue to go around in circles.

And you are here talking about respect…

OhHolyJesus · 02/01/2022 23:09

The thing is, being respectful brings respect.

Well ain't that a lesson for us all.

Shall we add it to Be Kind and Be Quiet..

Oh and The World Is Changing (still need a woman to have a baby though) and Don't Shit Yourselves.

Starcup · 02/01/2022 23:08

@Bunnyfuller

I’m an adopted baby, 1967. How have I suffered? Do tell me please.
How do you feel?
Starcup · 02/01/2022 23:07

@PurpleDaisies

Not all countries…… the most powerful country in the world accepted it.

America? Did you miss that surrogacy is governed on a state by state basis? It’s certainly not the “America thinks it’s brilliant and allows it in all cases” that you’re implying in your post.

I wasn’t implying that, christ they don’t agree with abortion in some states so I don’t assume they all think alike…. Some are more backwards than others…
ldontWanna · 02/01/2022 23:06

Shame the majority of diehards on this threads can’t do that. Absolutely evidently - the fact the hardcore 6/7 are still continuing to reply to someone that won’t EVER share your view is comical

To be fair I doubt most posters are actually trying to actively change your mind. Yes, it would be a nice side effect , but I suspect most of their replies and research are about facts, setting straight some of the myths about this, raising awareness about the multitude of issues and risks as well as being informative for lurkers, the undecided, people like OP etc.

P.S. I object to pathetic... happy to accept the other adjectives. Smile

OhHolyJesus · 02/01/2022 23:05

@Helleofabore

Have we run out of fish today yet jesus?

You really are indefatigable.

I'll admit I'm running a bit low... I've got some bread though. And there's always wine Wink

Same time tomorrow?

Starcup · 02/01/2022 23:05

@Helleofabore

Whatabout Whatabout

Because some ‘big countries’ do it, so should everyone.

I take it you mean the USA. And we have posted pages and pages on the issues with the USA. It is hardly the gotcha you seem to think it is. Maybe you didn’t read things posted.

Currently in New York (as has been mentioned before) ‘reproductive equality’ is being pushed. So that gay male couples have the ‘right’ to hire an egg donor, hire a womb to have a child of their ‘creation’.

And in general, I would not put the US as a very stellar example of a human rights leader.

But the situation has been quite well covered already on this thread. Remember the targeting of university students for donor eggs?

My answer to this is ‘so what’? Should we be taking lessons from them on this and other human rights issues?

I think your opinions are your opinions and the world is changing and you’re shitting yourself… is what I think 🤔
Starcup · 02/01/2022 23:01

@ldontWanna

I thought it was quite an inspired reply to that particular statement.. but what do I know?Grin
The thing is, being respectful brings respect.

I seen your post and thought we’ll deserved respect and was happy to share it. Then I seen your pathetic arsehole childish reply (like most on here) and I thought wow…..

I can admit when I’m wrong. Though an opinion isn’t really wrong, as it’s an opinion, but I can appreciate when someone brings something to the argument in a respectful way.

Shame the majority of diehards on this threads can’t do that. Absolutely evidently - the fact the hardcore 6/7 are still continuing to reply to someone that won’t EVER share your view is comical

NotBadConsidering · 02/01/2022 23:00

The surrogate in question had not considered what to do with the baby should the intended parents not be alive at the time the baby was born. That’s quite a serious consideration not to have considered until after the embryo was implanted. Who is legally and morally responsible for the baby? The surrogate didn’t know.

California is the place that deemed it legal for intended parents to keep the body of a brain dead woman warm and functioning long enough to gestate the fetus to viability overriding her family’s decisions about life support, so I don’t think they can be held up as champion worth following.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 02/01/2022 23:00

@Starcup

So do you have any thoughts on this?

Yes- my thoughts are they are your opinions!

yes

lots of people have different opinions to you

I know it seems to upset you, but it is allowed

jesus, how the fuck did you deal with Brexit?

Helleofabore · 02/01/2022 23:00

Have we run out of fish today yet jesus?

You really are indefatigable.

Helleofabore · 02/01/2022 22:58

Yes, we are all again repeating answers to things that have been covered earlier in the threads. So, it is very same same.

The same inane Whataboutery. But that is quite ok. There is only 9 pages left.

Plenty of time for you to hand out gold stars to other posters….

OhHolyJesus · 02/01/2022 22:58

@Starcup

On face value
And yet when you dig a little deeper...

Face value, yes! I think that about sums it up.

OhHolyJesus · 02/01/2022 22:55

Errrrr it’s illegal for business arrangements!

Tell the surrogacy agencies immediately!

I think you mean for profit/commercial surrogacy. Yes. That's illegal.