To not understand the issue with surrogacy?

dearie, dearie me

So your opinion needs to be take with a pinch of salt for being way way OTT

Ot are you trying to emulate someone that shared extreme views? eek

Either way, weird…….

Extinction rebellion affects everyone to various degrees, but surrogacy doesn’t at all, so if you honestly think people will listen to 11/12 nutters on MN then you’re more than deluded

Please do keep going.

**Be respectful
grin grin langcleg

Errrrrrrrrrrr weren’t you BANNED for your OTT views…….

The references Bunnyfuller is that there is a growing body of evidence from children (many now adults) who have been adopted and donor assisted of some mental health issues arising from removal from their mothers at birth.

If you have no issues, then that is great news.

There have been two schools of thought on this thread about women choosing to be a surrogate:

1. let her choose, who cares about the consequences
2. let her choose, but show us a way to make sure protections are in place should that choice be rescinded, regretted, altered, or impacted by decisions beyond that choice.

The first is a libertarian, almost anarchic approach. Which is fine, if that’s what you’re into, but it needs to be acknowledged that this will harm the women physically and mentally you are purporting to support.

The second approach is, in my view, an insoluble question. Someone gives up rights somewhere. So as a result, a ban is the only answer, as agreed by France, Sweden, Germany, Italy etc. In countries where surrogacy has happened, there are examples of all the concerns possible: harm to the surrogate, the intended parents, the baby. There are no examples of these things in countries where surrogacy is banned. I would be interested to read opinions of women in those countries who want to be surrogates but can’t because their choice has been removed and listen to their arguments. I can’t find any examples.

Until coherent arguments can be put forward around this libertarian approach, I can’t see how surrogacy laws can be altered.

A scapegoat? For what?

No. But you just told me ‘ I think your opinions are your opinions and the world is changing and you’re shitting yourself… is what I think

And that my posts deserved no respect. So I assumed that you disagreed on these now.

Like sneakily telling me that the USA (I assume anyway) allowed surrogacy and it should be followed, which you then retracted.

I am now checking what you mean because it all seems very fluid depending on just who you are replying to.

@Starcup

I feel bemused at the assumptions being made about adopted/surro kids. I don’t feel like I’ve suffered. I have parents that love me. I love them. I’m not sure at what point I’ve suffered.

I'm increasingly thinking our prolific poster must be really quite drunk

Hey wims! Know your place. Know when to shut the fuck up! And earn respect.

Um yeah… that works well doesn’t it?

You just want a scapegoat. How bizarre…..

You can’t pipe down and know when to shishhhhhhhh

Not for you, you’re replies, yours never deserved respect

And yet, I have answered many of the questions you have asked me. I have also repeated answers when you have circled back and repeated again.

I don’t deserve respect from you? That is fine.

Be respectful

You could offend many people using the name Jesus in vein

in vein eh? my word

@OhHolyJesus

@roarfeckingroarr who says it's not ideal? It was ideal for my family. I wanted to get back to work and the kids were full time with their father. It was perfectly ideal. My idea of not ideal would have been a baby who couldn't bear to be without me for months as you describe. I thought feminism was about women having choices.

**I'll admit I'm running a bit low...
I've got some bread though.
And there's always wine wink

Same time tomorrow?**

Do continue to joke and take the piss, about Jesus, wine etc….. (doesn’t bother me as I’m an atheist but do remember, some of the people on your ‘team’ are religious…., not we don’t want you to alienate them do we? By mocking their belief system.

Have some respect…..

The sad thing is, you and others make a mockery of real issues. That’s the sad part in a of this…

No. We are very serious about this and other issues.

I believe you started the ‘making a mockery’ when you started to be snide in your answers a few days ago. People have reacted to that since.

But we are serious about discussing the issues around surrogacy.

how do you feel about that?

In vein? Jesus is in my veins, yes.

I feel just fine about it, thanks for asking.

France isn't far behind in the league tables and also bans it.