To not understand the issue with surrogacy?

@starcup "I'm a dick at times", well, you said it.

They were fucking banned from MN!!!!!

They don’t ban people for fun!!!

If you are snidely referring to Bunny and Idontwanna and their posts, they were discussing their personal experiences in relation to adoption and separation from birth mothers.

I see your post as whataboutery again, and is trying to score points or gain ‘gotchas’ or whatever. Any other posters are free to answer, but stop taking the lack of engagement with your whataboutery post as either support for those situations or otherwise.

**It keeps showing itself up on various subjects doesn't it?

Safeguarding = extremism.

For what purpose would you make that link? Who benefits? And who does not?

It sums up everything and the motives of those who do it perfectly.

No need to say more on the subject on this thread to those doing it**

I admire your administration red, but they must have been really extreme to be banned from MN?

As I say, I’m a dick at times and I’m an opinionated twat but…… ive managed to never be banned. Same for a lot of posters.

Say what you like, but MN are really good at moderating and imo if you’re banned there’s a really good reason for it!!

Not sure things have been that derailed though, as majority on here can see the fundamental problems with surrogacy and are in agreement. Perhaps those trying to derail felt threatened by the majority perspective.

Everyone jumped in that until they didn’t wavy to hear other replies and then comes ‘start your own thread’

Of course that would be the one back….

@Starcup don't quite get how you ended up making that argument, but in my opinion(personal and where I work) SS don't actually remove enough children regardless if they're living in squalor, fairly ok or middle class. I also don't judge a parent's suitability based on their income or job. I know and understand why it doesn't happen as often as it should(which doesn't make it right) but that's yet another discussion for another thread.

I jave just read the past few pages. Why is @Starcup going on about issues that are separate to surrogacy?

In surrogacy a baby is created to be bought, that is not right for mother or baby. It's a completely different scenario to adoption.

I, along with many others on the thread I am sure, would expect that professionals with excellent safeguarding experience would use the existing laws to make decisions about each and every case of abusive family situations. And would also look at the best resources to support the child and the family.

And it’s always best to have safeguarding policies in place beforehand for predictable outcomes, rather than implementing them reactively to revelations. Like how it was only discovered after the fact that Baby Gammy’s father was a convicted paedophile.

Going to bed and leaving flappy head to prove my point.

Ffs don’t tell me you are agree with the last effing sentence….

All this is is people who don't understand or give a fuck about human rights who instead dress up misfortune as a violation of their rights so they can justify shitting all over someone else.

Trojan horses.

However, going by your latest post I guess you switched tactics to " post a lot of nonsense to get to 1k and get the thread shut."

I think we get the message.

Starcup doesn't believe in safeguarding women and kids.

Safeguarding is extremism.

Women advocating safeguarding are extremists.

Queer theory and neoliberalism can get to fuck.

Lets talk about reproductive prostitution, human trafficking, commodification of babies, coercive control, exploitation of the poor and foreign, buying babies, the dumping of imperfect 'goods' etc etc

Cos starcup gets offended by the mere suggestion of these things.

Its almost as if, if you don't talk about them or acknowledge them they can't exist abd then surrogacy is a perfect happy ever after.

Remind me again why safeguarding is bad? Is it because it reminds the over privileged of the dark side in life and the things that their uber privilege is built upon.

We are busy tearing down statues but hell go for your fucking life about safeguarding. There really are times i dont think we have moved on from the Victorian era and learnt the lesson of genocide. At all.

I will leave to look up Lang’s posts. Everyone else has gone to bed.

You’re welcome 😇

You really cannot post without insulting people who disagree with you it seems.

While telling us all to be respectful (oh… that’s right, I don’t deserve respect).

Why not take the time to read Lang Cleg’s posts and let us know what was so extremist about them?

Don’t be shy amongst friends…. Tell us how you disagree with IVF……

What? In safeguarding women and children?

Why are you not interested in establishing the best safeguarding guidelines and processes for women and children?

Safeguarding = extremism.

For what purpose would you make that link? Who benefits? And who does not?

It sums up everything and the motives of those who do it perfectly.

No need to say more on the subject on this thread to those doing it.