Page 4 | To not understand the issue with surrogacy?

Blackbird1234 · 2021-12-30T18:29:38+00:00

I've seen a few posts on some threads in this topic, from people condemning surrogacy. I don't understand why it is seen as bad, if all parties consent. Can anyone explain, please?

Helleofabore · 03/01/2022 02:30

The Echidna does also lay eggs.

We called them porcupines in my house, but they are very correctly ‘Echidnas.’ They are real ‘sticky beaks’

(And yes, echidnas would often wander into the downstairs part of our house)

NotBadConsidering · 03/01/2022 02:30

I think this thread and your contributions are invaluable Starcup. Lurkers see. They see the lack of coherent arguments in favour or surrogacy. I don’t think your abusive approach is as clever as you think it is 😆😆

Starcup · 03/01/2022 02:27

To add, my children are with their dad tonight so I can sleep until midday….. lovely 😊

Starcup · 03/01/2022 02:26

@Helleofabore

I’d wait until tomorrow until you say that starcup, you might notice deletions appearing on tonight’s posts.

And yes, there have been strikes handed out for biscuit posting on this board in the past. Note, I said strikes. You need three strikes and then you are suspended and may be banned.

I am telling you this so you understand that Lang Cleg was not an ‘extremist’. Some people are. They are usually posting with the intention to attack women posting here with vile accusations and slurs.

But most feminists are posted for other things.

I couldn’t give a flying shight about Lang Clegg or whatever her/his name is.

I don’t actively come on the feminist boards because of the type of poster I can’t be arsed with (most of you lot) and it attracts.

I’m lucky my DH provides for me (aghast I hear you all 😂) so I can stay up all night and sleep all day… not everyone had that luxury. Though at least I admit it, can’t imagine most people can stay up until 2.30 am if they start work at 8.30 but I bet you’d rather jump off a cliff thsn admit your SAHM…..

ldontWanna · 03/01/2022 02:25

@Helleofabore

🦦🦫

Otters and beavers are all I could find at 2.19 am. Sorry… no emojis of my fave monotreme. ( Well, actually I am also an Echidna lover. But hey ho! )

They're also mammals that lay eggs aren't they? The Echidna I mean.

I'm really glad I went with platypus instead of chickens (too basic) now, first time I've met another fan .

Helleofabore · 03/01/2022 02:23

But most feminists are posted for other things.

Banned. Not posted.

ldontWanna · 03/01/2022 02:23

@KimikosNightmare

Ok, so you’re okay with knowing children live in absolute shit circumstances, but that’s ok because the parents birthed them….. because that makes sense

What Starcup says IdontWann said

What ldontWanna actually said (bolded for clarity)

*@Starcupdon't quite get how you ended up making that argument, but in my opinion(personal and where I work) SS don't actually remove enough children regardless if they're living in squalor, fairly ok or middle class I also don't judge a parent's suitability based on their income or job. I know and understand why it doesn't happen as often as it should(which doesn't make it right) but that's yet another discussion for another thread

Thank you. I thought I was losing it and reread my comment a few times ti make sure it said what I thought it said and didn't miss a word or something.

Helleofabore · 03/01/2022 02:22

For idontwanna

Helleofabore · 03/01/2022 02:22

🦦🦫

Otters and beavers are all I could find at 2.19 am. Sorry… no emojis of my fave monotreme. ( Well, actually I am also an Echidna lover. But hey ho! )

Starcup · 03/01/2022 02:18

@KimikosNightmare

Ok, so you’re okay with knowing children live in absolute shit circumstances, but that’s ok because the parents birthed them….. because that makes sense

What Starcup says IdontWann said

What ldontWanna actually said (bolded for clarity)

*@Starcupdon't quite get how you ended up making that argument, but in my opinion(personal and where I work) SS don't actually remove enough children regardless if they're living in squalor, fairly ok or middle class I also don't judge a parent's suitability based on their income or job. I know and understand why it doesn't happen as often as it should(which doesn't make it right) but that's yet another discussion for another thread

You don’t even agree with IVF at al so you’re views are utterly extreme……

Helleofabore · 03/01/2022 02:15

I’d wait until tomorrow until you say that starcup, you might notice deletions appearing on tonight’s posts.

And yes, there have been strikes handed out for biscuit posting on this board in the past. Note, I said strikes. You need three strikes and then you are suspended and may be banned.

I am telling you this so you understand that Lang Cleg was not an ‘extremist’. Some people are. They are usually posting with the intention to attack women posting here with vile accusations and slurs.

But most feminists are posted for other things.

Starcup · 03/01/2022 02:14

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KimikosNightmare · 03/01/2022 02:14

Ok, so you’re okay with knowing children live in absolute shit circumstances, but that’s ok because the parents birthed them….. because that makes sense

What Starcup says IdontWann said

What ldontWanna actually said (bolded for clarity)

@Starcupdon't quite get how you ended up making that argument, but in my opinion(personal and where I work) SS don't actually remove enough children regardless if they're living in squalor, fairly ok or middle class* I also don't judge a parent's suitability based on their income or job. I know and understand why it doesn't happen as often as it should(which doesn't make it right) but that's yet another discussion for another thread

Starcup · 03/01/2022 02:12

[quote Enough4me]@starcup "I'm a dick at times", well, you said it.[/quote]
Christ are you joining in at the last leg?? Ok? Well you really upset me with your remarks “ sad face
“ 👌🥳

Starcup · 03/01/2022 02:11

@Helleofabore

If you are snidely referring to Bunny and Idontwanna and their posts, they were discussing their personal experiences in relation to adoption and separation from birth mothers.

I see your post as whataboutery again, and is trying to score points or gain ‘gotchas’ or whatever. Any other posters are free to answer, but stop taking the lack of engagement with your whataboutery post as either support for those situations or otherwise.

Wth you on about?…..

ldontWanna · 03/01/2022 02:10

Ok, so you’re okay with knowing children live in absolute shit circumstances, but that’s ok because the parents birthed them….. because that makes sense 🤨🙄🙄

You're obviously on a windup. I say I don't think SS remove children as often as they should (which means they should remove more kids) but that means I think kids should live in shitty situations?

How do you even get there?

Hell I definitely need that platypus gif now. :/

Starcup · 03/01/2022 02:07

@Helleofabore

It seems you don’t know much about the board you are posting on at all then.

Three strikes and you are out. And a strike can be gained for posting ‘not in the spirit’ which you might discover for yourself. You can earn numerous strikes per thread even.

People on the board receive strikes for posting a biscuit. Or for pointing out that a twitter account is posting screenshots. Or for directly telling a male that what they are saying they wish to happen, is a safeguarding issue, without prefacing it with ‘some’ or ‘not all’.

Very few people get banned from this MN board for being ‘extremist.’

Well they don’t get banned for nothing do they? If that was the case about 10 of us would have been banned from being smart arses and I clearly include myself in that.

So I don’t believe for a second they ban people for fun. It must take some severe rule breakers (MN wound delete the thread if they could, before banning someone!!)

I’ve given several but not been banned so you’re talking bollocks.

Helleofabore · 03/01/2022 02:01

It seems you don’t know much about the board you are posting on at all then.

Three strikes and you are out. And a strike can be gained for posting ‘not in the spirit’ which you might discover for yourself. You can earn numerous strikes per thread even.

People on the board receive strikes for posting a biscuit. Or for pointing out that a twitter account is posting screenshots. Or for directly telling a male that what they are saying they wish to happen, is a safeguarding issue, without prefacing it with ‘some’ or ‘not all’.

Very few people get banned from this MN board for being ‘extremist.’

Starcup · 03/01/2022 02:00

[quote ldontWanna]@Starcup don't quite get how you ended up making that argument, but in my opinion(personal and where I work) SS don't actually remove enough children regardless if they're living in squalor, fairly ok or middle class. I also don't judge a parent's suitability based on their income or job. I know and understand why it doesn't happen as often as it should(which doesn't make it right) but that's yet another discussion for another thread.[/quote]
Ok, so you’re okay with knowing children live in absolute shit circumstances, but that’s ok because the parents birthed them….. because that makes sense 🤨🙄🙄

Starcup · 03/01/2022 01:58

@Enough4me

I jave just read the past few pages. Why is *@Starcup* going on about issues that are separate to surrogacy?

In surrogacy a baby is created to be bought, that is not right for mother or baby. It's a completely different scenario to adoption.

Well read them all before you make opinions. I never started the adoption debate…….

Enough4me · 03/01/2022 01:57

I'm going to look up Lang Cleg.

NotBadConsidering · 03/01/2022 01:57

@Enough4me

Not sure things have been that derailed though, as majority on here can see the fundamental problems with surrogacy and are in agreement. Perhaps those trying to derail felt threatened by the majority perspective.

I think this is the issue. When the implications of decisions around surrogacy are laid out and solutions sought, it’s clear that there aren’t any. So the only possible response for those entrenched in their support for surrogacy is to dismiss these concerns, fail to acknowledge these concerns, and struggle to come up with any answers. If that support was real, rather than a position that one thinks is supposed to take, then I would expect some form of educated response and coherent argument. I suspect that there isn’t any because many of those supporters of surrogacy have never actually thought about it, but it just seems the “kind” position to take. Some react with abuse when they’re concrete position cannot be argued.

Starcup · 03/01/2022 01:55

@RedToothBrush

All this is is people who don't understand or give a fuck about human rights who instead dress up misfortune as a violation of their rights so they can justify shitting all over someone else.

Trojan horses.

I disagree.

Human rights campaigners guised as control freaks with something they don’t agree with.

Sorry to burst you bubble red…..

Helleofabore · 03/01/2022 01:54

So, you have no idea what happened to Lang Cleg? You are just being … what?

No, Lang Cleg was targeted by those from Twitter, as have numerous others over the past 5 years for pointing out conflicts with safeguarding issues. And iirc not pretzeling her words enough to remain in the talk guidelines.

There are many people banned from MN on this board for stating things that get left untouched on AIBU. Because this board is heavily monitored by those on twitter who want to silence women with opinions that they disagree with.

Lang was one of those targeted. And one of those missed even today.

Starcup · 03/01/2022 01:52

However, going by your latest post I guess you switched tactics to " post a lot of nonsense to get to 1k and get the thread shut

Eh? WTF are you on abou?! That’s a belter. Does a thread get closed if it gets to 1k responses????

Genuinely never knew that but do tell me how that would be be my aim/fault, as I can’t make people post….. what a wired suggestion. Funny though