To not understand the issue with surrogacy?

David Farnell is dead now. Can’t imagine many mourned him.

the argument, as far as I could make out, seemed to be that you can't always protect children and vulnerable people, so you shouldn't try:

Sadly we can’t can’t protect all the children all the time, especially when their own patents can’t be trusted to protect them

also that allowing people to do what they want is more important than protecting others. that's a fine line to tread

It is truly awful what happened with the Gammy and Pipah case but at least Thailand banned commercial surrogacy and cracks down heavily on baby trafficking as a result.

Ooh, a 3am flounce!

Sorry I can’t say the same as I think you’re full of sht

I would say the same and report your post but I'm so enjoying watching the hole you're digging getting bigger and bigger.

Should you peruse this board you would find many a thread discuss freedom of speech, in general and specifically for women and proposed laws that haven't even come into force but have hindered this.

You could read around the board and maybe try to understand why many women posting here are active in writing to their MPs and have even formed grassroots campaigns and charities, protested and joined forces.

You could see how globally, through those grassroots groups, there is a serious and effective movement, a rebirth in feminism (not the fun kind), but in all seriousness, we both know that would take a lot of work, time and effort.

As you have lots of time in your hands due to being unemployed and "living off your husbands salary" (your words, I assume not sarcasm, though your posts are full of it) I recommend reading about what has sprung from Mumsnet and how it provides a place for real change as well as hosts honest, open discussion (within talk guidelines). The trans widows group is just one example, let toys be toys is another, we can't consent to this is another.

This may be a joke to you, you certainly don't appear to be talk no it seriously, but I would say that most regular posters here do.

You obviously know about LangCleg's exit and have been lurking and looking for an opportunity to tell us off/to shut up ("shisssshhhh") and I imagine you are enjoying this immensely, and that's fine. Your comments tell us who you are.

"When someone tells you who they are, believe them."
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I’m lucky my DH provides for me (aghast I hear you all 😂) so I can stay up all night and sleep all day… not everyone had that luxury. Though at least I admit it, can’t imagine most people can stay up until 2.30 am if they start work at 8.30 but I bet you’d rather jump off a cliff thsn admit your SAHM…..
I can stay up till 2:30 and start work at 8:30, used to do that every night actually. With dc3 due in under 2 months I’ve never been a sahm in my life, work full time in a fairly high pressure area. Hope that helps you stop generalising - it’s so incredibly trite to read a thread about women’s opinions and say haha bet you’re all sahms.
Now off to catch up on the rest of the thread.

It’s not 3.30am everywhere 😉.

I’m not even sure what your question was/is… Do I disagree with what? Surrogacy? I’m some situations yes not in all.

All those posts, all that time wasted, and we still don’t get any in depth explanation 🙄.

It’s a shame, because like I said earlier, this issue is about real lives, real women, real children, real trauma, real exploitation, real legal issues, all affecting real people that deserves depth of analysis.

It’s not silly o’clock to be random on the Internet? It’s 3.30am I’d say most people would agree with me.

I’m not even sure what your question was/is… Do I disagree with what? Surrogacy? I’m some situations yes not in all.

Right you’ve beat me, worn me down and I can’t do it anymore, wasting hours upon hours on ransoms on the Internet!

Take care all

Just post a counter argument Starcup. It’s not silly hour. Explain your position. Your posts in response to questions have been…limited. “I’ll respond to that later”. “Sometimes it goes wrong”. “That’s extreme”.

Do you actually disagree or do you just feel the need to be contrary for the sake of it because you don’t like the “bulldozer mentality”?

Just to add before I head to bed…. As I say, I wouldn’t chose to come on this board, despite being very active on MN (several posts every day)

Even AIBU folk disagree and argue, but it generally doesn’t go past 2/3 days.

Here it’s completely to the extreme, goes on for days an days until silly o’clock and I’ve literally never known that in about 21 months of very active posts etc…

Part of me thinks I like the dedication to the cause that you bring but part of me thinks the average person is put off by the extremities and the constantly going on and on and on and on

I don’t know whether it’s to admired or embarrassed about. But I do think aside for the hardcore 15 posters or so most people can’t be bothered with it.

Sadly that bulldozer mentality (I’m 100% right all of the time) detracts from
Issues that affect every woman, ie the concept that a man can change sex and the problems that brings( sharing a changing room etc)

So whilst I don’t agree with everyone so far, I do agree with the maim issues affecting woman in general but I wouldn’t hurry back to this board in a hurry as it can be off putting.’

Just asking questions. Point me to your post where you answered. I can’t find it. Or copy and paste it. Or repeat it. If surrogacy is important to you, that women should be allowed to do it if they freely choose, then it’s worth it isn’t it? To make sure your point isn’t lost?

It’s absolutely horrific for the little little souls

I have. You haven’t given a single explanation. You just say women should choose, everyone here is control freaks etc. Why do you think that overrides the harms?

Safeguarding needs to be done even with family members.

No sacred groups for safeguarding. At all. Ever.

But you haven’t explained why you disagree. No one has abused you. They’ve asked you to back up your arguments which you’ve failed to do. And responded with abuse. Why don’t you actually try to be clever and explain why you think women should be allowed to choose to the detriment of all that has been pointed out to you. You can do that, can’t you?

Im giving more than what I get… I e admired I can be a divj but no other person has which tell me, the can not accept other opinions

I owned up to childish and arsehole. It's just pathetic I objected to.

School staff , still have a few more late nights left, not that I can sleep past 10 am anyways.

I’ve not deleted a single post in this thread either, it wouldn’t occur to me to. We all have different opinions and all.

no more

Im giving more than what I get… I e admired I can be a divj but no other person has which tell me, the can not accept other opinions

Yeah… peri menopause and night sweats are not conducive to sleep. But that is ok, tomorrow is a public holiday.

And I don’t think anyone cares about your domestic arrangement. It is not relevant to the thread and none of our business.

You don’t even agree with IVF at al so you’re views are utterly extreme……

Indeed that's correct. Goodness only knows what "gotcha" you think that is.

I can also read and correctly interpret what posters are saying (assuming that it makes sense of course)

Re deletions btw, you may well find you aren't deleted. MNHQ rely on reports - they don't read every thread. I haven't reported anything by you- your posts are too priceless to lose.

You can’t all be asleep now? It’s only 2.30am…..

Sleep until midday tomorrow (like me) it’ll be fun….