Kellie Jay on Talk Radio with James Max

What seemed strangest to me is being 'staggered' by the perfectly normal, factual view that people can't change sex. He must remember a time when nobody at all thought that men could really become with it. It might be understandable for a young teen in a 'woke' social bubble to be surprised that not everyone agrees with trans ideology, but a man his age? I wonder how much of it was performative.

Yes. It was very 'old man struggles to appear relevant' wasn't it?

I do wonder with these people when they are so happy to spout shit like this what else they say that they don't believe. I mean do they really deep down harbour racist/homophobic views but know the 'right things' to say?

It does seem to me that the reason this has traction despite being obvious bullshit is that for many people it must just be something else they need to pay lip service to.

Kellie Jay was brilliant. So clear and calm and not backing down or letting him sidetrack her.

What seemed strangest to me is being 'staggered' by the perfectly normal, factual view that people can't change sex. He must remember a time when nobody at all thought that men could really become with it. It might be understandable for a young teen in a 'woke' social bubble to be surprised that not everyone agrees with trans ideology, but a man his age? I wonder how much of it was performative.

I also caught the error where he asserted that you can only really know what's going on inside your own mind, not other people's. This is true. But yet some male people apparently know enough about the minds of all women to know that they have a womanly mind and not a man's one? How on earth could they know that?

Oh, that was glorious! Well done KJ

This reply made me laugh

There are so many good bits..

1.04

KJK: I don't think any man can ever become a woman, no.

JM: So, then, there's the problem, isn't it?

KJK: What? Not lying?

JM: Well, it's not a question of not lying, it's a question of not necessarily understanding - that somebody can be born in somebody else's body. In the sense that you can be born physically a man or a woman, but inside you may be - and it has been recognised - that you might yourself an opposing sex in terms of how your brain works. Are you saying that that person should be discriminated against for the rest of their life because of the physicality of it?

KJK: No, I'm saying that what you have said there is absolute nonsense. There's no way that you can be...you ARE your body, there is no separation between your biological sex.

JM: No, no I'm sorry. I'm afraid that's wrong.

KJK: No (shakes head and laughs). In what possible way would the DNA of a human build all the cells one sex, except a tiny little bit of a brain that would be a different sex?

JM: Well, that's not necessarily... I mean, are you an expert in this?

Posie was magnificent. I don't always agree with her but I do admire her.

Isn't this the same radio station that Julia Hartley-Brewer is on? I imagine she might have some comment to make.

OMG James Max - he's the one off The Apprentice who was selling the Fleecy Wolf Jacket on the QVC task!

Oh that wolf jacket man should have fallen so low.

I’ve never heard of James Max before but he came across as a complete uninformed twat. KJ wiped the floor with him.

Adding this bit of transcript, because it's fab.

JM: '...Okay, so you don’t think that you could be born female but in fact in terms of how you operate you are a man?’
KJK: ‘No, I think you can probably be born any sex and behave in any way, and that doesn’t really change your biological structure.’
JM: ‘But isn’t that because you are certain in who you are, in the sense that I’m pretty certain on who I am, and therefore we can come at this subject with the knowledge and experience that we have but you can never be in the body and the mind and the brain of somebody else and in fact by saying the things you’re saying it’s pretty hateful, pretty disturbing and pretty unpleasant’

So, how can you be in the wrong body, then James? Make up your mind!

Thank you so much for sharing this! Was just watching and when DD(15) heard it she said “oh I just saw this on twitter, was about to watch it”. Perfection.

We saw a woman in Waitrose earlier wearing an adult human female hoodie, so I popped over and said “I like your jumper!”. She said she has loads of them, bags, t shirts etc too and I said “good for you”. DD had been worried about wearing her Harry Potter Xmas scarf out in public in case she got any abuse for it . I told her the idiots who want to cancel JKR wouldn’t have the balls to say anything to her in real life, they’re just keyboard warriors. The real strength is in the people who choose not to be silenced, like the woman in Waitrose!

Also, that was exquisite.
Posie seems to have a gift for making arses out of arses.
A true gift.

Political lesbianism is absolutely a known choice, and as far as I recall, Julie Bindel amongst many others made this decision.

It's not a very popular view now.

It's such a shame I missed this on Good Morning Britain a while back, did anybody watch it:

Posie Parker v India Willoughby

Can someone explain the relevance of the ‘born gay’ question to me? I don’t get why it was asked. Being gay is a sexuality, feeling as though you were born in the wrong body isn’t. Why are they comparable?

She did cite Sheila Jeffries

2.47

JM: Can you be born gay?

KJK: I think that there are two routes to homosexuality according to someone like Sheila Jeffries, you can either be born gay or you can choose to be gay.

JM: You can choose to be gay?

KJK: Well, yes, that's according to people who have (JM cuts in, 'really?') written about it, yeah.

JM: Right

KJK: I mean you'd probably have to survey the entire population of gay people, I certainly know some gay people who don't think they were born gay and I know plenty that do.

JM: Right. Okay - that's interesting.

KJ was quite clear in her assertion that she understood there were two routes to homosexuality and she cited Sheila Jeffrey’s who has indeed written about political lesbianism and choosing homosexuality as a woman.

James Max was appalling.
No words. Fortunately he’s getting huge push back on Twitter.
Anyone know why post changed her name? She was brilliant 🤩

I believe she quoted her friend Sheila Jeffries as being the source for the ‘choice’ route.

Perhaps the discussion needs to be had amongst those who are same sex oriented. But otherwise I would take it up with Sheila (if I did indeed remember the source correctly) if you have an issue with this.

Being gay isn't a choice, and it is obscenely homophobic to suggest it is.

I haven't listened yet but wanted to point out political lesbians were a significant part of 2nd wave feminism and it's not as simple as saying "it's not a choice" is homophobic. Separatists within political lesbianism is also a concept that exists as a way to live without entirely men.

Snoozer11 - that jarred a little with me, too, as I can recall seeing a video where a man on the street put the 'born gay or choose to be gay' question to people in America. When people answered 'choose to be gay' he countered with ' That's interesting - when did you choose to be straight?' which really struck me at the time.
But in this, I think KJK says that she had read things that suggested that some people in homosexual relationships had always felt that they had been born that way and some had homosexual relationships later in life (I assume she means people who are bisexual). So, she says she thinks some people are born gay and others choose a homosexual relationship. I'll listen again.

Sad to say, India is a bonehead and any interview would throw much more sound than light.

Oh I'm definitely tuning in if it's India. Comedy gold.

For accuracy she said there were two routes to homosexuality- being born homosexual or choosing.

No doubt that point could be something people would argue, but please don't misrepresent what she said. I'll do a transcript in a bit.

Sad to say, India is a bonehead and any interview would throw much more sound than light.