Nancy Kelly and Christine Burns on Al Jazeera

@334bu
From what I understand from some Muslim vloger's that males should also dress modestly. This would include covering the chest shoulders and arms down to the elbow.

@SantaClawsServiette
Sorry☺ that was ment for Vvvvip for some reason my @'s hop randomly.🤷🏼‍♀️

@Vvvvip
What's the expression for showing excessive skin in the Islamic faith?

Would a display of a bare upper chest, bare shoulder and bare arm be acceptable dress code for Qatar's TV reports?

Anyway.

Wiki has a page on Al Jazeera.

V interesting org.

In 2000s BBC bought 1000 hours content from them. Just FYI.

I find the news we get here excellent.

Also good is the channel France something (in English) and sky news I was surprised to find is same topic coverage as BBC but better than them.

Sorry just think arguing about Qatar, Al J etc.

Let's talk about stonewall and I bet it was their idea, wangling a totally friendly interview, on a global popular English language news outlet, which isn't the one we get on freesat or whatever it is.

Pathetic.

So I mean saying no no nope to someone who actually knows the country.

Even if think... Erm, really?... To straight up say you're wrong is pretty strong!

In one country for work, over and over people said, oooh I wouldn't want to go to London. Too dangerous. Terrorists, loads of stabbings.
I'm from London.
They've seen the news. I live here.
Am I wrong? Sort of thing.

Oh gawd just read thread!

1. What the law says and whether it's actually applied or even thought about in general.

Eg

Singapore male/male sex is illegal and law says can be two years in prison.
Wiki has more but essentially on the ground, there's not general concern.
And as long as Singapore wants to be an international corporate etc hub. I really can't see them jeopardising that.

My point is that, the theory may not meet the practice.

I'm not saying Qatar law ok any more than S'pore or any others.

I do think though. That when someone who lives in a country say it's not like that on ground.
I'd listen.
Because it's unlikely that they're lying (why?).
How likely is a poster who wants to big up this country on the net, to be knocking about on MN ?!

Sorry not be seen on the news channel here Freeview.

Unless gone wonky-

This would NOT be seen on TV available AL J news.

It would be seen by those watching Al J globally, English language.

That is CRAFTY as fuck.

Imo.

And my god what a cheap cheap move.

What are they aiming to achieve by having the 2 of them, talking utter bollocks (yes really nonsense), about how AWFUL nasty bigots are here. For consumption by countries/ individuals in countries who enjoy some English language news from time to time?

Is it like. We've lost control of this.
Let's see if we can get pressure from other countries shouting for removal of witches?

Pathetic. Utterly pathetic.

@Vvvvip I believe MNHQ prefers to leave ‘false’ claims up and be argued against rather than delete them. This is the case across the site, not just this board.

As PP have said there is unlikely to be evidence of executions available. The fact is, Qatar does operate Sharia courts, and so theoretically Muslim men who practice same sex relationships could face execution.

Whether they invoke this and actually execute is secondary to the fact that it is technically possible, IMO.

So unless anyone knows better, based on what seen etc.

This interview was for the English language (available to global English speakers) channel. This piece is clearly USA style.

And the Al J news we get here is the Europe channel, great journalism, in depth looks at specific cultures etc. Hard core proper stuff.

Al J have various things. Regions include US/Canada, Europe. Then there's an English language thing.

Couldn't quite work out what is what.

However,

The first story on Al J Europe section of their site is a piece about UK.

And this is about the presenter on upfront-

'Dr Marc Lamont Hill is an award-winning journalist and author and is the Steve Charles Professor of Media, Cities, and Solutions at Temple University. Hill is known for his work addressing the intersections of race, justice, politics and culture. His latest best-selling book is ‘We Still Here: Pandemics, Policing, Protest and Possibility’ which follows on the success of ‘Nobody: Casualties of America’s War on the Vulnerable from Flint to Ferguson’. Hill has received numerous prestigious awards from the US National Association of Black Journalists, GLAAD, and the International Academy of Digital Arts and Sciences.'

Started watching it!

My first thought was.

Who is this fella? I've not seen him or that studio before.

I watch Al Jazeera a fair bit later on at night and not seen thing like this, it's all in depth looks at eg hour documentary living in X country as a religious minority, wide news coverage of shit round world our media mentions and then forgets.

So had a dig.

Maybe. But AJ is a major news organization. Giving them interviews doesn't imply being happy with any particular thing they say, or the people who work there say, or what the countries they broadcast in say.
So when women are interviewed on Fox News about male competitors in female sports, they should not automatically be assumed to be right wing bigots, as like Stonewall being interviewed by an organisation funded by a regime which imprisons homosexuals and oppresses women, it should not be assumed that they share the broadcaster's views.

@SantaClawsServiette
What's the expression for showing excessive skin in the Islamic faith?

Which participant showed no respect towards the social norms of Arabic countries?

You're asking me this because...?

Any more than it does when anyone else gives an interview to an individual or organization.

I think this might be a reference to Christine Burns sleeveless top. However, would this be against social norms if the person is not female?

Young
Women
Higher educated

Subtext
Excludes the violent dangerous threat: men, the reason "special men" have to be given access to womens spaces. Right??
We must all politely ignore that "special women" will be in the violent dangerous threat areas, yes in mens' spaces.
And of course the old ignorant women hag/bitches who fail to #bekind, too stupid to understand their place is to be a doormat champion and hand over women's spaces.

@SantaClawsServiette
What's the expression for showing excessive skin in the Islamic faith?

Which participant showed no respect towards the social norms of Arabic countries?

The ILGA 2020 report on state sponsored homophobia states "There are also five additional UN Member States where certain sources indicate that the death penalty may be imposed for consensual same-sex conduct, but where there is less legal certainty on the matter. These countries are: Afghanistan, Pakistan, Qatar, Somalia (including Somaliland) and the United Arab Emirates."

Qatar is one of the countries which the report lists under "countries for which there is no full legal certainty that the death penalty (DP) is the established punishment for consensual same-sex sexual acts." Page 38.

Basicaly the potential exists for someone who is homosexual to be executed but it hasn't been put into practice in any recent years which I can find. Pages 67-68 provide the reports full summary on the current legal situation in Qatar.

We should strive for accuracy and it does appear to be incorrect to say Qatar has executed people for same-sex acts in recent years.

It's not a tolerant country and I would be sacred living there if I was homosexual. While the law exists then there is always the potential for one person/couple to be come the legal case study where Qatar actually applies the letter of the law, as it currently stands.

Ok vvvip, the Sharia law in Qatar allows for homosexuals to be executed, but there are no recent examples of this happenjng. However, homosexuality remains illegal and punishable by a prison sentence of up to 3 years. I guess we have different definitions of a tolerant society.

The point of the CEO for a charity claiming to supooet LGB rights going on a state sponsored TV station from a state where homosexuality remains illegal and not even mentioning it remains the same. A big gay elephant in the room.

[quote Helleofabore]This thread from Iseult White is spot on.

twitter.com/iseult/status/1475523364408147977?s=21[/quote]
So is it likely that Al Jazeera pursued Stonewall for an interview in this case? In an attempt, ahead of the World Cup, to make Qatar's LGBT rights appear better, by allowing Nancy Kelly to accuse the UK of their own bigotry?

I haven't watched the interview, because I can't bear Kelly, but I'm assuming she doesn't talk about LGB at all?

NK's gushing description of the interview was sickening. Having chosen to be interviewed by Al-Jazeera she could have tweeted something about the situation in Qatar, maybe drawing attention to Stonewall's own briefing about the country. Instead she used infantilising language to describe her pleasure at being interviewed with no challenge, no hard questions asked. Her moral compass has gone missing.

twitter.com/LabWomenDec/status/1475371360541102085

There is quite a difference between having a law that could result in execution for same sex attraction and a law that means someone can be ‘prosecuted’ for wearing green on a Tuesday.

The two are not comparable and you have attempted to make the law that may result in execution seem ridiculous and frivolous.

Do you admit the law exists?

I will continue to challenge the individual until they provide the enidence. Or get their post removed.

Don't change the subject. An allegation was made. It needs to be evidenced otherwise it is not acceptable and should be removed or retracted. Personally, living in China and Russia were far less tolerant in my eyes but, hey, the Guardian doesn't hate them so they are invisible. I won't be drawn into anything other than legally challenging an allegation which is not founded with evidence.

You were the person saying that Qatar is a tolerant country. How does that square with their laws against homosexuality and their treatment of women,?