Legal Q: Can we all require that the court calls us a made up name? re beastiality sex offender

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aweegc · 23/12/2021 22:56

It appears that the sex offender with the blonde bob wig was not only not a woman (shock), but wasn't even legally either. Yet, this offender was able to require the court to call him a name that wasn't legally his and apparently apply pronouns too. Is this legally normal? I thought about posting this in legal, but I don't know how that board would respond to the trans issue involved here and I don't really want to discuss 'be kind' and all that. So, if Big Bazza a convicted drug dealer was in court on further drug charges, would he be called by his legal name Norman Nelly, or could he compel the court to refer to him in all addresses as Big Bazza (I do not mean the prosecution/defence using the name sarcastically/warmly to colour their positions) with pronouns boss/nails? If Lizard Man was in court could he compel the court to use his preferred pronouns green/slimy? In both hypothetical cases they are socially referred to by those terms.

Is there no rule for how to address defendants in court be based on legal reality?

The related article is in the DM. To avoid clicking on it, the only extra info really is that as his legal sex (article says gender) was male, he's in the male estate.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10340329/Transgender-paedophile-60-jailed-20-months-having-sex-dog-sent-male-prison.html

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aweegc · 24/12/2021 00:36

[quote SickAndTiredAgain]I get what you’re saying, but what exactly is a legal name? You can change it yourself (if I’m understanding this link correctly?):

www.gov.uk/change-name-deed-poll/make-an-adult-deed-poll[/quote]
Yes you can change it yourself - and it's very simple in fact. I think it's about a tenner, or free. It's cheap anyway. It then has to be changed on your passport too, which is more expensive. It becomes your legal name though, so fair enough, that's how it's done. If you haven't even bothered to do that, then why should anybody be compelled to use it, especially in a legal setting?

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SickAndTiredAgain · 24/12/2021 00:03

I get what you’re saying, but what exactly is a legal name? You can change it yourself (if I’m understanding this link correctly?):

www.gov.uk/change-name-deed-poll/make-an-adult-deed-poll

Hawkins001 · 24/12/2021 00:03

Reading with intrigue

JaniceBattersby · 24/12/2021 00:00

You can read what the equal treatment bench book says about pronouns from P324. Basically, you should always avoid using pronouns anyway (you should say ‘the defendant’ etc) but if you have to, you must use their preferred pronouns. www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Equal-Treatment-Bench-Book-February-2021-1.pdf

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 23/12/2021 23:56

(That elf, though…. )

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 23/12/2021 23:55

Is that because we don’t have the penis of power or the testicles of truth?

Thelnebriati · 23/12/2021 23:53

Don't be daft, if we did it (or turned up dressed like an elf) it would be contempt of court.

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