Found this in the New Forest!

Yes, well when women feel the powers that be are deliberately not listening or when it’s hard to speak up in your own name then these little acts of defiance help. If that makes me arrogant, then shrug. It’s nowhere near as arrogant as the men wanting to utilise my spaces and services.

My objection is I suppose the sheer arrogance of assuming public and private property is available for you (general you) to deface for your (general your) personal campaign/ pet peeve.

*not surprising

I think some of us may need to agree to disagree with some other of us on this thread, that’s fine and it surprising.

I can completely see why people prefer nature to be ‘left alone’. I would agree in nearly every single circumstance. However, for many of us here, when it comes to standing up for women’s rights our ‘normal’ behaviour and standards we uphold do not apply in quite the same way. Such is our strength of feeling for this cause.

If I ever get a talking to from the police or from eco warriors I will apologise and then carry on another day or maybe just once they’re out of sight.

I'm not convinced @ArabellaScott and the examples you show are not truly comparable to what I object to. There are some similarities, but the method of communicating those messages are done in a different setting.

Suffragettes chalking.

Well, it's an interesting discussion.

Who controls what is shared on public land like parks or Forestry or roadsides or council owned land. We do have freedom of expression and that includes political expression. The suffragettes did a lot of chalking on public pavements. If we are banned from certain discussions on social media, this is an alternative that will likely be taken. And who is more often banned? Some demographics are less likely to have a platform and may look for inventive ways to share their messages.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/general-election-political-posters-boris-johnson-conservatives-a9227386.html

I can't be bothered to pick up all the aluminium cans, empty plastic bottles, emply glass bottles, empty crisp packets and so on that I see out on walks, so I don't think I'd be bothered overly much by a slate with a trans activist message on it. I've never been bothered by the trans activist stickers I see on lamp-posts.

I wasn't dictating anything- the people dictating are those supporting the idea that it's fine to stick random posters , etc up on land they don't own.

I'll stick them up wherever I want. Cry a river.

The slate is litter. Whoever put it up doesn't own the New Forest.

I don't care. You don't own it either.

I wasn't dictating anything- the people dictating are those supporting the idea that it's fine to stick random posters , etc up on land they don't own.

The vast majority are not "within the law" including this slate.

Who cares. Do what you want on your own land. You don't get to dictate what other people put up on their own land, or in public. Unless of course you plan to rush round taking them all down. You'll be busy. For the rest of your life.

The examples you are citing are items which are placed there at the instance of the landowner to give guidance to access takers or a statutory undertaker as part of its remit for its particular role Where they aren't provided in that manner, they are there only with the consent of the landowner, whether positive or inertia.

The slate is litter and is against the Code of Conduct for the New Forest. Just because you (general you) might support its cause doesn't stop it being litter. My reaction to "gender critical" litter is exactly the same as it would be to trans activist litter.

@BlueberryCheezecake

We see posts like this all the time, multiple posters here can't even handle being asked to tick their gender on a form, or asked politely what pronouns they use

Why do you think it’s reasonable to ask someone who doesn’t believe in gender ideology what their gender is? Often those questions are compulsory and the only option for non-believers is to tick a box saying “prefer not to say”, which suggests they do have a gender but don’t want to share it.

And while I can’t speak for others, if anyone “politely” asked me what pronouns I used, I would say that, in line with the correct use of English, I don’t use gendered pronouns for myself and it’s entirely up to other people how they refer to me when I’m not in their presence and they don’t know my name.

You (general you) have the "right to roam" in Scotland. If I found this slate or ribbons or stones with slogans on our family farm I would remove all of them, regardless of what they were promoting.

Perfectly understandable on your own land. But we have a lot of common land, too. With various signs and interventions on it. Including noticeboards, cairns, memorials, waymarkers, pylons, geocaches, trig points, initials carved in rock/trees, flags, etc.

unless you have hired a commercial billboard or the sort of notice board you find in supermarkets/ community centres or the like.

You’ve answered you own question there.

Other examples:

• the signs people put up in their own gardens around election times

This is just re posters. I also mentioned leaflets and other campaigns etc.

Whether the slate as the subject of this thread constitutes a punishable, criminal offence, maybe it dies in theory. In practice not so much. I’d rather come across interesting quotes (that I may agree with or not) than littering.

Some graffiti is now considered as street art rather than a criminal offence.

Anyway, we’ve managed to derail a bit so ill not comment further other than I’d rather see people engaging in politics/campaigns in a way that suits them (within the law as I clearly said above) than not bothering at all.

[quote Leafstamp]@KimikosNightmare

Apologies if I am not making myself clear, but I did specifically said posters that are within the law. Such posters do exist.

Try not being so deliberately obtuse/argumentative eh?[/quote]
What posters are "within the law"?

There is no right to stick posters up so none of them are "within the law" regardless of their content - unless you have hired a commercial billboard or the sort of notice board you find in supermarkets/ community centres or the like. The vast majority are not "within the law" including this slate.

Try not to be so obtuse.

@KimikosNightmare

Apologies if I am not making myself clear, but I did specifically said posters that are within the law. Such posters do exist.

Try not being so deliberately obtuse/argumentative eh?

[quote Leafstamp]@KimikosNightmare

I wasn’t saying that. Of course people should not break the law in fighting their cause, but posters, signs, leaflets, campaigns etc that are within the law are a sign that people are engaged with society and trying to make a difference (whether we agree with their cause or not). Engagement is a good thing.[/quote]
Er, sticking up posters etc is not actually within the law. It happens and sheer inertia will often mean they aren't moved but there's no right to place them on public or private property.

@KimikosNightmare

I wasn’t saying that. Of course people should not break the law in fighting their cause, but posters, signs, leaflets, campaigns etc that are within the law are a sign that people are engaged with society and trying to make a difference (whether we agree with their cause or not). Engagement is a good thing.

On public property stickers on lamposts, railings etc.are tolerated during election campaigns (and during the Festival) but are usually removed afterwards. Quite rightly so- they are just litter.

You (general you) have the "right to roam" in Scotland. If I found this slate or ribbons or stones with slogans on our family farm I would remove all of them, regardless of what they were promoting.

Yes Arabella I agree. Its reassuring to live in a country where people can visibly fight for their own causes.

A fair few TWAW stickers/graffiti round here. I wouldn't tamper with it. Same as I wouldn't interfere with football stickers, stones with bible passages or posters for political candidates. Despite not necessarily supporting any of those things. All part of life's rich tapestry, eh?

Well I’m from here and so if kimiko and neither one of us would be kicking off and removing it

But I don’t doubt that there are SOME posters who might/would which is obviously their right