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Thank You from the Lurkers

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TofuDelights · 22/12/2021 19:28

FWR (as I still think of it) is a very important corner of the Internet.

I read here almost daily, and the amount of information here is incredible - evidence, links to articles, tweets, feminist analysis, philosophical conversations, academic studies, court cases, judicial reviews, updates on previous cases... the list goes on and on. Personally it takes me time to keep up, let alone feel brave enough to comment Smile

At this time of the year, especially, I just thought it would be nice to create a little thread to say thank you to all the regular contributers from the ones like me, who read but rarely post. Thanks for the information, the wisdom, the challenging discussions and all the lovely dinosaur names!

Hopefully some more lurkers will join me so I'm not left languishing on this thread alone!

Thanks All, and lang may yer lum reek! Xmas Smile

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Syeknom · 23/12/2021 08:00

Thank you.
I really appreciate all the links to original sources from both sides. These threads have opened my eyes that these are important topics that need critical thought and discussion rather than blanket acceptance because someone told you that you should just be kind.

Thelikelylass · 23/12/2021 07:51

Yes thanks, this is a safe place for facts and common sense. I come here to get my daily dose of sanity. I saw a FB post this week that had me raging, a 'mutual' (MALE of course) who posted about 'launching' anyone that was supporting JKR. If I had been in the pub with this dickhead I would have reeled off all the recent cases where women have been threatened, lost jobs, been cancelled for simply stating facts. I can't so I calmed down and remembered that we have US! thanks to all of you for doing your very best, there is a war against women out there and I feel we are like an underground (and increasingly overground) resistance. Merry Christmas to you all.

Charliesgotachocolatefactory · 23/12/2021 07:45

Yes thank you from me too. Thanks to all the discussions here, I felt confident enough to engage doorstep canvassers in the Scottish election about it. Obviously I just got a woolly version of ‘be kind’ in reply, but I was so pleased I’d spoken up.

Outwiththenorm · 23/12/2021 07:43

Thank you from me too. Using the information I read here to inform DH, friends and family members, slowly slowly.

FedUpWithBriiiiick · 23/12/2021 07:40

Mostly lurker here! Thank you, FWR boards, for articulating what I think, feel, believe and KNOW!

NewlyCat · 23/12/2021 07:39

Adding my thanks as well - I'm so appreciative and grateful for all the knowledge, wisdom, humour and resilience on this board. Thank you all Flowers

Doyouthinkeirsaurus · 23/12/2021 07:35

Mostly lurk, but have found that FWR gives me knowledge and therefore confidence to raise questions at work and with organisations.
Have been to meetings, FiLiA, stickered, spoken to friends, this board has reignited my feminism.
countrypunk I am so sorry to hear that you have lost a friendship group.
Thank you to everyone who posts (and those who don’t) Gin Xmas Smile

BarryTheChopper · 23/12/2021 07:35

Another lurker saying thank you.

I am more active on Twitter than I am on here but this is where I learnt about what is happening and how it threatens women’s rights. I have known several trans people over the years, so I’d only ever thought about it before in terms of individuals I’d liked.

I read this forum daily, I will start trying to post more.

TimTeleporter · 23/12/2021 07:29

@NoNotMeNoSiree

sad to say I've name changed to say this Why would you feel the need to name change though? Just like I wouldn't want to see a racist comment, thinking they could just say what they like because free speech and all that. Why is that any different? There's still a line. If you haven't passed it, why are you hiding?
Because they don't want to be stalked and harassed by trans rights activists. As you well know, despite the faux innocence, being a trans rights activist yourself.

It is lovely to know so many people lurking here. Listening and learning. I expect that knowledge warms the cockles of your heart, Smile

Morasssassafras · 23/12/2021 07:20

Agreed. Thank you all. I've taken what I've learned here and helped open a few eyes offline.

TimTeleporter · 23/12/2021 07:13

♥️

StandUpStraight · 23/12/2021 07:04

Mostly lurker here too, eternally grateful for the knowledge and wisdom on this board. I’ve been coming here for years and while I used to feel like it was all quite complicated and I couldn’t marshal the arguments in my head sufficiently well to articulate them, I can now thanks to the women who post here and have thought about every aspect of this subject. They opened my eyes to the total incoherence of gender ideology. I kept expecting to find substance to at least some of the TRA arguments, thought I was missing something. Nope. The substance, the intellectual honesty, is all here on this board.

missfliss · 23/12/2021 07:03

Another voice of thanks.

Sitting here with Material Girls by Dr Kathleen Stock next to me.

Bought as a result of these threads.

WhatyoutalkingaboutWillis · 23/12/2021 06:58

It's my safe space and I thank you all for it. Merry Christmas to you all x

mammajustkilledagnat · 23/12/2021 05:19

May I be the first to shout 'Bunbury'?

I'd love Mumsnet HQ to give some stats on this thread. Individual posters numbers, for a start.

NoNotMeNoSiree · 23/12/2021 02:31

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MenoMom · 23/12/2021 01:55

Thanks from me too - this is a brilliant resource, I've used information i've read here to talk to friends a few (safe!) colleagues in work - when they say that men in women's prisons, men in women's sports teams, men in refuges doesn't really happen i have the evidence that yes it does, it has and it will continue, and it has to be addressed or women will suffer.

I am (I think!) a nice person but definately rejecting Be Kind as a mantra aimed at women - it's not my role to validate anyone else, i don't have to believe what they believe about themselves, no more that i have to share the beliefs of my Muslim, Christian or Jewish neighbours.

My boss is very woke so I'm expecting her to suggest pronouns on email signatues soon and have lots of evidence from this site on why it's not in my interest to do that as a woman.

So a big thanks to all the active posters on this site!

unwashedanddazed · 23/12/2021 01:50

I rarely post, but I read here every day. It's an oasis of sanity and I'm extremely grateful for it, both to the contributors and mnhq for hosting when most social media companies are simply too cowardly.

KloppsTeeth · 23/12/2021 01:40

Another lurker checking in to say thank you. I have learned a great deal, and I am grateful.

ExerciseCatsGin · 23/12/2021 01:38

Thank you from another lurker. I have learnt a lot!

LittleWingSoul · 23/12/2021 01:37

Mainly lurking, sometimes posting since 2017!

Antenatal depression and a big discrimination case bought about by my being pregnant bought me to the FWR board back then, and also bought out the feminist in me. Before then, I'd never really understood feminism was also meant for me.

Thank you for everyone's contributions and for emboldening me.

OnlyTheTitosaurusOfTheIceberg · 23/12/2021 01:24

@NoNotMeNoSiree

sad to say I've name changed to say this Why would you feel the need to name change though? Just like I wouldn't want to see a racist comment, thinking they could just say what they like because free speech and all that. Why is that any different? There's still a line. If you haven't passed it, why are you hiding?
If you’ve been keeping up with this issue, it doesn’t take much imagine to understand why someone who may have made themselves relatively identifiable under their usual username may be reluctant to ‘out’ themselves as GC, when - despite some recent gains and welcome reversals - there can still be real-world adverse repercussions for women who dare to say publicly that sex matters and women’s rights matter. Nothing to do with what they want to say “crossing a line”.
Rhannion · 23/12/2021 01:18

Thanks to all the brilliant women on here
Women Won’t Wheest!

Iwishihadariver · 23/12/2021 01:06

I'm grateful that FWR is here as a place to come for explanations and reassurance. It's tough sometimes to watch the onslaught on women's rights and feel frustration and anger. However, many times a poster on FWR has provided a link or an update or some information that gives me the chance to petition, donate or sign. Or simply shares a small chink of positivity which provides a lovely YESSS! moment.

Thanks to all posters, and also to all fellow lurkers for your silent but comforting presence. I can feel you shouting YESSS! along with me 📣 👏

NoNotMeNoSiree · 23/12/2021 00:41

sad to say I've name changed to say this
Why would you feel the need to name change though?
Just like I wouldn't want to see a racist comment, thinking they could just say what they like because free speech and all that.
Why is that any different?
There's still a line.
If you haven't passed it, why are you hiding?