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Tom Daley Christmas message

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ChristinaXYZ · 21/12/2021 16:29

Tom Daley is giving the alternative Christmas message on Channel 4 this year.

www.channel4.com/press/news/tom-daley-deliver-2021-alternative-christmas-message

Scroll down the above page for the text of the speech.

I am fine with him praising Quinn but he skips over the other conflicting arguments and issues over including transwomen in women's sport.

He is however spot on with the ridiculousness of major sports granting the prestige of the top competitions to places with dubious human rights records.

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 21/12/2021 21:22

Good point, he could try having his own baby too, if he did, Operation.

OperationDessertStorm · 21/12/2021 21:17

I think it could affect Tom’s sporting career - maybe Toms looking at a retirement plan and this would more than double Tom’s options for competition, funding and sponsorship simply by declaring an identity. Tom could probably do very well even in women’s boxing with a few months training.

SirVixofVixHall · 21/12/2021 20:48

@MsGoodenough

He's made me sick ever since he bought a baby. I don't think there's any hope he has any empathy with women.
This. No skin in the game, male athletes competing against women will never affect his career.
FlaviaAlbiaWantsLangClegBack · 21/12/2021 20:36

Man at top of his sport demands women make place in theirs for men.

No thanks...

MissMinutes24 · 21/12/2021 20:35

I think we should start a campaign for more inclusivity in surrogacy - no LGB without the T right?

Transphobes like Daley won't even consider asking a transwoman to carry a baby for them. Because they are bigots

We need more inclusivity and visibility for transwoman who want to be surrogate mothers!

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 21/12/2021 20:30

His knitting's not all that, either. Chunky knit, you can't do fuck all that's clever knitting with a chunky yarn.

He's very good at falling into water.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 21/12/2021 20:26

I don’t see what is remotely “inclusive” about including biological men in womens sport, it’s bloody scandalous not inclusive

KittenKong · 21/12/2021 20:08

You’d think an athlete would know more about physiology.

dropthevipers · 21/12/2021 19:51

What I find disturbing in all this is the number of people spouting the "TWAW" bullshit who must, surely know that it's bollocks? That they do must mean they haven't really thought it through or do know and are keen to avoid the pitchfork mob. Not great, either way. Still, maybe next year channel four will hire Butler for this gig.

BaronessWrongCrowdRex · 21/12/2021 19:16

He’s such a misogynistic little toad. He knew what a woman was when he wanted a baby.

Omicrone · 21/12/2021 19:13

His love of knitting is stomach turning - it’s a show piece.

I don't like the man that much, but why is his knitting 'stomach churning?Confused

Omicrone · 21/12/2021 19:12

He is one of these men who knows exactly what a woman is when he is looking for someone to pay in order use their body for their own desires.

Pieceofpurplesky · 21/12/2021 19:12

Meant to add link

www.bbc.com/sport/football/54233946

Dozer · 21/12/2021 19:11

Remarkably unfair.

Pieceofpurplesky · 21/12/2021 19:10

It's interesting that Quinn (born woman) plays for the women's team ... the BBC said

'The 25-year-old remains eligible to compete in women's sport despite identifying as transgender because gender identity differs from a person's sex - their physical biology.'

Blue4YOU · 21/12/2021 19:10

It’s amazing isn’t it.. how a man knows exactly what he needs to produce children (a woman).
I’m bet he wouldn’t be so keen on people insisting that if he doesn’t want to have sex with a transgender woman he ought to be cancelled etc.
His love of knitting is stomach turning - it’s a show piece.
I don’t like him for his Christmas message alone.
Dickhead

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Lacedwithgrace · 21/12/2021 19:06

Why are people so suprised a gay man is talking about inclusivity in sport? It's pretty cheesy but I don't know who could do it better.

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 21/12/2021 19:00

@Theeyeballsinthesky

I’m shocked shocked I tell you that a successful gay male athlete who brought a baby hasn’t a clue about how female athletes feel with men self identifying into their sports

He’s a bellend

Indeed. Hasn’t a clue how it would feel, and just doesn’t give a shit either.

Tom applauds the impressive achievements of trans athletes, “especially in the current climate of fear and panic around trans people” and adds that “there is no LGB without the T.”.

He can fuck right off. Disingenuous twit. Applauding the “achievements” of male athletes in female sport. Applauding atrocious, misogynistic cheats of the worst order.

Any athlete who knows what it takes to compete at the highest level should care about fellow athletes who are as dedicated as he is having their careers and achievements sabotaged by officially sanctioned blatant cheating. The fact he doesn’t does not reflect well on him at all.

Especially so soon after “Lia” Thomas’s egregious exploits deprived three female swimmers of their rightful podium places, as well as creating new “records” female swimmers will have no chance of beating.

Men like him are so quick to bleat about how trans people are being “bullied”, but they are the ones actually bullying women with their support for our exclusion from our own spaces, services and sports. Zero empathy for us. Zero.

I used to really respect him but now he honestly makes me sick.

HangingOutWithTheSandman · 21/12/2021 18:57

He's made me sick ever since he bought a baby. I don't think there's any hope he has any empathy with women.

This. He’s a disgusting man.

FannyCann · 21/12/2021 18:54

They all know what a woman is when they want to buy a baby.
A French lady I was talking to called it "The homopatriarchy".

KittenKong · 21/12/2021 18:51

And understood how sex works when handed the wee baby…

TooWicked · 21/12/2021 18:38

@MsGoodenough

He's made me sick ever since he bought a baby. I don't think there's any hope he has any empathy with women.
This.

Tom knew exactly what a woman was when he was looking for someone to buy a baby from.

QuestionNumberOne · 21/12/2021 18:36

I guess he’s only interested in acknowledging the reality of biological sex when it means he can benefit from using a woman’s body to carry a child for him to acquire.

Leaveitonthefloordrobe · 21/12/2021 18:34

In 2022 the World Cup is being held in the second most dangerous country for queer people

I dislike the way the word "queer" has mainstream usage now. And I know some gay people who hate being referred to as queer.

Tbh I'm fucking sick of Tom and his knitting. He's completely lauded for it, and why? Because he's male.