Tom Daley Christmas message

Tbf generally I have time for Daley. To be at the top of his sport for as long as he has been and from such a young age takes incredible discipline and focus.

I also appreciate him speaking out about homophobia and the awarding of Olympic Games to countries that persecute LGBT ppl

However he’s simply wrong about trans ppl in sport. Biological men don’t belong in womens sports and he certainly at some level knows this, he just doesn’t care cos it doesn’t affect him. He’ll be thinking about his post diving career and he knows full well only total adherence too the mantra will see him get a good broadcasting career

In that scenario when it’s him v the needs of biological women, there’s only one winner

Successful sports ppl are incredibly selfish & focused, he’s just continuing in that vein

I worry about Tom Daley (not very much) because he chose Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone for his book on Desert Island Discs

Honestly, I don't know whether to be amused or frustrated. It's a book for eight year olds!

Am I a total snob for wondering why anyone listens to this person's opinions on anything, ever? Why did Channel 4 give him this platform? He doesn't read and his sole expertise is falling gracefully into water, which is ... niche. Like any Olympic athlete I'm sure he has self-discipline, which is a terrific personal quality, but he doesn't seem to have any kind of special ability to communicate or inspire. Why do people listen to this fatuous man?

Hear hear @SportsMother

Hear hear @Itsanewdah

I worry about Tom Daley (not very much) because he chose Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone for his book on Desert Island Discs; I'm surprised he hasn't been unpersonned by now.

Seriously, what (apart from diving for his own benefit) has Daley done for the world? He wrote a letter to Boris Johnson about gay rights in Commonwealth countries, I think. Um... he wants to prevent a lot of people from being allowed to go to the Olympics because their countries have laws against gays... Can't really think of anything else. He's an entertainment personality.

Really? As opposed to any of the people on this list?

I'm so glad that silly comment about Daley was made, because that list is genuinely inspirational. Thank you for posting it.

And how is even the most subtle coercion checked and accounted for in this wonderful ‘consent’ driven transaction?

The very fact that women are donating eggs at a risk to themselves for money in the USA is an indication it has its problems. Sure, these women made the decision themselves and gave consent. Does having a stroke due to hyper stimulation of the ovaries when you are only finishing university for money count as acceptable collateral if you have consented due to financial incentive?

How can all parties agree when the most important party isn't born?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f760ee92-64b0-11ec-b276-7a5087e098a3?shareToken=3d1a6ba490c24dcb7123f34a5cd3d10c

Why do you think that I'm ignorant of US surrogacy laws?? It's regulated to benefit the purchasing adults, not to assure the wellbeing and safety of the women being used or the babies being bought. Of course it's about buying babies. That's why Daley and his husband found a US surrogate rather than a UK based one.

@UltraVividLament in case you mean the child - kids never have a choice. same for all kids. some are born to narrow minded people, some not. some have great parents, some not.
otherwise i suggest reading up on surrogacy laws in the US. its quite regulated and certainly not “baby for sale“.

There's one party involved that most definitely didn't consent.

I find it odd that some people can't see the issue with wealthy people buying babies from poorer people. In no other circumstances is buying a person acceptable, yet it's somehow ok when it's a baby and the parents are wealthy enough to pay for it.

He is amazing human being. His messenge made my Christmas, and the Christmas of many others.
And about surrogacy- i really don’t see the problem as long as all parties agree and are capable of consent. As they obviously did in this case.

Why is there a christmas message from an irrelevance?

its bad enough we get one from the queen without some other gob on a stick getting one too

twitter.com/womenreadwomen/status/1475485773361483779?s=21

Pregnancy is not a dangerous thing to do to your body…. Much says some posters. Imagine being a surrogate and having to go through abortions because the parents want to select the sex?

I cannot imagine the harm being done here. Deliberately.

Having a daughter who tried for several years to adopt in the UK, I figure that ignorance about the process is par for the course for many people.

Mind you, if the ignorant are living in a county where very young children and babies can be kidnapped from their parents, and then sold to people who want them while the parents are deported without them, all perfectly legal while records are carefully not kept, it's an understandable lack of comprehension.

If I knew as much as you know about adoption (i.e. I saw Juno once), I wouldn't talk about adoption to people on the internet. HTH

I remember listening to a programme on the radio. I had just had a baby about 2 or 3 months beforehand. The brutality meted out to 'unmarried mothers' in the mother and baby homes in Ireland was beginning to be openly discussed.

The programme was about how the babies were removed from the mothers to be given up for adoption. There wasn't really any choice in it. for the new mothers. Many of which were without support, money and vulnerable. Some had been abused. Subsequently it was revealed the religious orders involved charged money in the transaction from baby to adoptive parents. Documentation was many a time tampered with so that years later the sold children couldn't trace what happened to them. Or the mothers find out what happened to their children.

The tears were streaming down my face listening to the stories on the programme.

Women's football has always been extremely accepting of gender non-conforming women. I wouldn't imagine most people on, or working with, the team batted an eyelid.

Sorry but a declaration of a non binary identity does not make a person special especially not in sport. What adversity has Quinn got over? has Quinn ever been prevented from playing on the women’s team? Yes the whole team did really well but it had nothing to do with Quinn’s self identity.

Pregnancy and childbirth are still significant causes of death. They kill about 300,000 women worldwide annually.

Three Identical Strangers is a documentary - the adoptions were in the 60s but the way the adoption agency treated the babies and parents was just criminal.

The private adoption industry in the US skates very close to surrogacy. At any one time there are about a million couples looking to adopt (primarily babies) and this has lead to a $15bn industry in an environment where women have decreasing access to contraception or abortion services. Women from poor or disadvantage backgrounds are financially supported through their pregnancies and persuaded that handing over their baby to wealthy families is the right thing to do. The going rate to 'buy' a baby is about $50k.

time.com/6051811/private-adoption-america/