Men still get to be called men

What pisses me off about this is we are told that the erasure of the word woman, breast feeding etc is all in service of equality and being kind and inclusive. It’s not done for any nefarious or sinister motives against women. It’s to make trans people feel safer etc. Ok so if that’s true can they not take the piss and blatantly thrust it in our faces that men get to still be called men, no problem? They can’t even afford us the dignity of pretending the real reason is inclusion , because there isn’t a single peep against prostate cancer U.K. ! I think making women aware there is a double standard , and women getting cross is half the fun.

And agree, the reason we can’t be called women is totally because trans women will get mad at not being included , but they don’t want to be called prostate owners so are fine with men being men.

As a side note, what do non binary people call themselves (if 'trans women are women' etc). So we have men and women. Does a non binary male still call themselves a man but non binary? Or do they not use a man/woman term at all?

Men are men. If they have a willy they are men. If you have a womb you are a woman.

Go on then

No I don't get it.

Sorry, quoted the wrong person, in my phone with cold, arthritic fingers.

But you get what I meant 😃

I think you've missed the central point. We want when to be called women. We don't want any part of the male cohort to be called women.

That's pretty much the whole if it.

What the hell do you want them to be called then?

Who?

What the hell do you want them to be called then?

Shedmistress, I think a man would soon notice if he was “non bonary”!
Thanks for giving me a laugh with your typo - much needed in these grim times.

So it is possible to clearly target vulnerable groups (male cancers and men's mental health) without fudging language and confusing/offending anyone. Almost as though some grown ups are in charge.

What has happened to Bergdof?

I haven't heard from her for a while, and last time I mentioned her to a tra, they said munroe had been doing a lot of self reflection and had revised her previous views on some things - does that include the denial of female biology within feminism? Or is it just her previous homophobic and racist remarks?

You only have to look at the male transitioners push back bitterly against being told they are penis havers to understand.

They hate being dehumanised and reminded of their penises. And I am sure they would say the same about their prostate.

Women though… told to stfu and accept dehumanisation for the sake of all who will be offended - transitioned males, transitioned females and people who want to be accepted as non-binary. Because #bekind and be the world’s mothers.

The double standards are not new. It is the same old, same old.

The fact the male charities haven’t budged from their language is apparent every year as the erasure of word women is denied by all.

So campaigns for cancers that affect men wish to save those men's lives. Campaigns for cancers that affect women don't seem to be prioritising saving women's lives. They are still prioritising men (wishes).

The erasure of the word " woman" when referring to female biology is vital in the campaign to make people think that transwomen are actually women . Monroe Bergdoff was quite honest about this need to distance the word " women" from female biology , when Monroe told the " Women's March," that they couldn't discuss the female reproductive system without being transphobic.

Its not inclusive

Once men stop being referred to as men then I’ll believe it is

Its completely indefensible

But this is a joke right?

Transwomen want to distance themselves from the word men. All hell would probably break loose if the guidelines were updated to say men and transwomen.

It suits them just fine to have one wording for men, another for tw and the third just talking about female body parts.

Someone should do a FOI to stonewall and check what the guidance to make cancer charities has been. I bet it's different from the law written up for women.

Its all about stopping the word woman from being associated with female biology. In order that men can claim the word woman for themselves.

The pretence that women's campaigns exclude transmen is just that. Otherwise women's health campaigns could do what this prostrate charity is doing.

I'm interested in their campaign for non binaries.

Do we know what the wording is on that?

How do they ensure that the messaging is actually aimed at the male non-binaries and not the female ones, and if they are non-bonary, how do they know?