The tone of this suggests further turning of the tide.. can we dare to hope!!

For a start I wouldn't be calling anyone 'cis' without checking with them first, in the same way I wouldn't assume anyone's pronouns. Identity is a matter of choice.

And yes; there is a conflict between apparent homosexuality through gender transition, choice and appearance, and actual homosexuality which is sex based. It's important to be honest about this. As with all clashes between sex and gender, one should not obscure, obliterate or devalue the lived experience, needs and specific issues of the other, because they are not the same thing.

So it a trans man walking down the streets holding hands with their cis male boyfriend gets abused or beaten up for being perceived as a gay couple then what is it if it's not homophobic

Only if the attacker thinks that they are attacking two men and not a heterosexual couple.

Replacing it with opposite sex attraction and calling it the same? Homophobic.

Semantics can be important ,if the organisation supposedly set up to advance the rights of homosexual people denies that they exist and replaced same sex attracted people with same gender attracted people.

Homophobia is believing that same sex or same gender attraction, relationships or sexual activity are less valid, less healthy, less valuable or less acceptable than relationships between people of different sexes or genders.

No it isn't.

A man and a woman in a relationship are not subject to homophobia.

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Do do you believe that there is no such thing as same sex attraction? Is that not denying the existence of homosexual and bisexual people and blatantly homophobic?

Homophobia is believing that same sex or same gender attraction, relationships or sexual activity are less valid, less healthy, less valuable or less acceptable than relationships between people of different sexes or genders. I have been with my partner - who, like me, is a cis gendered woman - for many years. Our relationship is no more or less valid than a relationship between a cis man and a cis woman, two trans men, a cis woman and a trans woman, etc etc. That’s what matters, the rest is just semantics

And presumably you're admitting that the Daily Mail could at least do that.

Can you define homosexual Helen?

I don’t have a problem with the same-sex/same-gender thing -

Do do you believe that there is no such thing as same sex attraction? Is that not denying the existence of homosexual and bisexual people and blatantly homophobic?

Whatever your views on the complexities of the debate (personally I don’t have a problem with the same-sex/same-gender thing - what matters is that individuals can be in the romantic/sexual relationships with the people they want to be with - or with no one - without being discriminated against or excluded, regardless of their and their partner’s respective chromosomes, genitals, or appearances), does anyone believe the DM is doing anything other than pushing the same socially conservative agenda it always has, which it knows plays well with its readership? The same agenda which hates immigration and thinks feminism has gone too far?

It’s hardly surprising the DM takes this position on trans issues, they were one of the worst papers for homophobia during the 80s and 90s

If I come out of this right wing, I’m holding TRA’s directly responsible 🤣🤣

More prosaically, I think it might be in the fourth HP book that the boys are suddenly not able to enter the girls' dorms? There is a spell on the door that "knows" the girls' rooms should be single sex.

I do sometimes wonder whether there's something else going on with this JK Rowling situation, but I can't quite put my finger on it.

The stories were very powerful to an entire generation, and I've wondered whether it's because they deal, essentially, with confronting your worst fears at the same time as going through puberty. One thing I notice about Harry Potter is that it deals with that sense of "being special" within a small ontology, only to work through and confront your demons to become a well-rounded and valuable member of society.

It's as though Harry Potter is a metaphor for puberty and teen growth and development, in some respects. 🤔

And, of course, this kind of narrative goes against certain accepted tenets of the gender movement.

The ultimate hope is that you will end up worrying so much about being right-wing that you will fall into line on gender identity philosophy and sign women's rights away, in order to buff up your left-wing credentials.

True. And it wont bloody work!!!

And we also have tambourines to shake at you devil witches, while screaming " Repent m*f*s"!!!!!!!!

Though it is interesting that pretty much every authoritarian tendency from Stalinists to Evangelicals to Daily Mail social conservatives to actual died in the wool Fascists all oppose trans rights

Would you not include the most vocal advocates of trans rights in the authoritarian, evangelical camp?

Heretic, though shalt not deviate from the received truth (transwomen are women), in any respect. If though darest so to do, thou wilt be driven from society. The merciful among us will allow thee to perform public penance and repent of thy sins. But most of us would prefer to see you witches burn.

It's perfectly possible to have radical and revolutionary economic goals but also to be deeply socially conservative and authoritarian.

Of course. And we see this authoritarianism in those on the left who say that those who disagree with them should lose their jobs or livelihoods. I'm sure many of those who hounded Kathleen Stock out of her job claim to be left wing.

And there is a very socially conservative aspect to many parents who trans their young children where it's clear they're thinking 'better a straight daughter than a gay son', wherever they are on the left-right political spectrum. In fact the whole idea of transgenderism is based around the socially conservative idea that there are some things which are only for boys/men and some that are only for girls/women.

I voted for corbyn, I voted for John Smith, I vote for TUSC.

I am a feminist I dont believe in gender its a ideology invented in the 1940s to legitimize oppression.

Anyone who values freedom and equality would be GC.

This is very true. I tend to get a bit defensive when people accuse me of being right wing! Which is pointless. Particularly given that I think one of best things about GC is what a broad church it is.

I think the whole point is to distract posters away from the topic at hand to defending their political views to keep them on the back foot. After all, if you're busy defending yourself you're not talking about the actual topic.

Which brings me round nicely to the article. I am so glad that JKR has creative control of Harry Potter. WB will try to extract as money out of the franchise as possible, of course, and the possibilities for that are seemingly never ending. I would really like JKR to insist on "J K Rowling's Harry Potter" in big letters on any future projects.