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Starling Bank - How to write inclusively ..

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FAQs · 17/12/2021 15:04

www.starlingbank.com/blog/tips-on-how-to-write-inclusively/?fbclid=IwAR3m5clUUKArjEN_-jxnp1vELAhecQDzOzKhmCuK1HIuVP7dIl8kw1PkLk4

Where we can, we use ‘woman’ instead of ‘female’ – but we always consider whether we need to specify the person’s gender at all. Reducing women to mere reproduction by using ‘female’ (i.e. their sex) could also exclude those who can’t reproduce, as well as trans and gender non-conforming people

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NotTerfNorCis · 21/12/2021 13:15

"Reducing women to mere reproduction by using ‘female’ (i.e. their sex) could also exclude those who can’t reproduce, as well as trans and gender non-conforming people. "

'Those who can't reproduce' was probably thrown in to give it a bit more justification. This is all about genderism.

Justkeeppedaling · 21/12/2021 13:07

I can't reproduce (60), but I am both woman and female.

NotTerfNorCis · 21/12/2021 13:06

So if you can't/don't want to have kids, you're not female??

That's not what 'female' means.

Saltovinegar · 21/12/2021 07:26

Has anyone else contacted Starling regarding this blog? I have and they haven't bothered to reply so I assume they no longer want my business.
Since I'm a woman who can't reproduce they probably don't know what to do with me Hmm

RepentBirthingPersonFucker · 19/12/2021 10:55

I've just been reading their terms. They are charging people for depositing cash. At the moment 1k a year can be deposited fee free
That would put me off too. I'm concerned about moves towards a cashless society and I'm someone who never haves cash
Once we get covid under control I'm going to start using cash as much as possible. Cashless harms the most poor in our society and enables our every move to be traced

Xillow · 19/12/2021 09:37

This is such an important point @namitynamechange. I am sick of hearing of being told of all these things that I should be offended by.
My intelligence is continually being insulted. Like everyone else, I have more important things to worry about.
Ironically, I’ve never felt so ‘othered’ in my life as I do since this narrative started. Together with the added nonsense from Starling and the like.

KittenKong · 19/12/2021 09:35

I guess they are on twitter...

RepentBirthingPersonFucker · 19/12/2021 09:31

I've been looking for a move since I found out Lloyds is a Stonewall champion. Starling was going to be my first choice
I don't know where to go now. Are there any banks who know what a woman is?

GreenClock · 19/12/2021 09:28

Really disappointed in Boden (if she’s aware, which she should be).

KittenKong · 19/12/2021 09:27

If it chases customers. They’d agree with puppy drowning. Sell outs.

PosiePerkinPootleFlump · 19/12/2021 09:23

I've met Ann Boden, Starling founder and CEO, professionally a few times. She comes across as very much aware that she is a woman in a banking world dominated by men, and very no-nonsense and unwilling to take any crap. If be amazed if she'd signed off on this

Rightsraptor · 19/12/2021 06:11

Interesting that Starling only talk about 'female" reducing women to reproductive function but no mention of 'male' in this context. So maybe it's fine to talk of male because we all understand that word means the entire holistic individual and not just that they ejaculate. But us - no, can't have us thinking we're people.

And what's this capitalising of black when talking of people? We do not capitalise adjectives in English.

I was about to switch to Starling. Maybe I will carry on looking.

FrancescaContini · 19/12/2021 00:38

It reads like a parody. Painful.

HermioneWeasley · 18/12/2021 15:53

Starling can fuck off and wokesplain elsewhere

Theeyeballsinthesky · 18/12/2021 15:38

Oh fgs as an infertile woman I’m not remotely offended by the use of the word female

namitynamechange · 18/12/2021 15:14

@Spitspotsput

Trying not to derail, but what do black sheep think to being told black sheep are racist? Besides mmm grass chew chew Hmm
I could be wrong, but that sounds like the kind of thing that happens when someone tries to think of things that black people would consider racist without actually checking with any black people...
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FAQs · 18/12/2021 14:29

No, your 4 year old must be a woman! Madness.

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AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 17/12/2021 21:11

My daughter is 4. She can’t reproduce yet.

So, she’s not a female yet?

Abitofalark · 17/12/2021 20:53

Yes, it's ridiculous to define 'female' as if it meant women who reproduce. However, does no one else remember Starling Bank being founded by a woman? A middle-aged woman at that. Anne Boden. She was very conscious of the male world of banking, finance and technology and the typical young start-up male entrepreneurs.

There's a vivid account in this Guardian article from a year ago, including the devastating episode where she had a disagreement about ethics with the man that she recruited to start the project with her. I won't spoil it by giving away what happened. It's startling, never mind Starling.

www.theguardian.com/business/2020/nov/08/its-crazy-but-i-set-up-my-own-bank-the-story-behind-starling-anne-boden-ceo-interview

Spitspotsput · 17/12/2021 17:21

Trying not to derail, but what do black sheep think to being told black sheep are racist? Besides mmm grass chew chew Hmm

KittenKong · 17/12/2021 17:17

Shame I told them to get lost... I’d be on phone asking about ‘men’ .

WeeBisom · 17/12/2021 16:57

I've never understood how referring to a group of people by a defining characteristic is thereby 'reducing' them to that characteristic.

FFSFFSFFS · 17/12/2021 16:34

No mention of men I see. Presumably calling men men doesn’t reduce them to their reproductive capacity? It must be lovely to be the default proper type of human

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FAQs · 17/12/2021 16:10

I’m at work so dipping in and out, I was lost for words when I read it!

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KittenKong · 17/12/2021 15:23

Knew it! I was a customer of theirs but found the staff knew less about banking than I did (I last worked in banking in 2004) very frustrating.

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