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Miller v College Of Policing

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yourhairiswinterfire · 16/12/2021 12:05

Judgement will be here on Monday, finally. It's been about 9 months since the appeal.

twitter.com/WeAreFairCop/status/1471399029321969666

This was a good article by Sarah Phillimore if anyone needs a recap.

thecritic.co.uk/fair-cops-case-in-court/

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nauticant · 20/12/2021 12:19

Harry Miller interviewed on talkRADIO, 40 minutes from the start of the stream:

RoyalCorgi · 20/12/2021 12:17

This is hugely significant. Trans activists have a variety of weapons in their armoury for harassing gender critical people, and this was - the non-crime hate incident - was one of the big ones.

Along with the apology from the scouts over Maya, this feels pretty momentous.

terryleather · 20/12/2021 12:11

@OvaHere

Great news. None of this idiocy should ever have got this far.
Hear hear.

This is such excellent news, and I'd like to add my thanks to all those who have fought so hard to make this happen - huge congratulations to you all ThanksWineCake

Datun · 20/12/2021 12:10

@nauticant

I thought GiantKitten was being rather robust over Mrs B so I thought I'd have a look for myself:

twitter.com/WeAreFairCop/status/1472838207469494272

Those messages are quite something.

Fucking hell. The transwoman who reported Harry for hate and who the police took seriously, is the person who wrote those disgusting, hateful comments???
AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 20/12/2021 12:04

I found this

Miller v College Of Policing
LangificusClegasaurous · 20/12/2021 12:03

Doing the happy dance here. It took so long, I'm so grateful to Harry for sticking this out!

nauticant · 20/12/2021 12:01

Funny you should say that TheSonjaMorgan:

39. Mrs B1 who describes herself in her witness statement in these proceedings as a post-operative transgender woman, had Mr Miller’s tweets drawn to her attention by a friend. The judge found that Mrs B made a voluntary choice to read the tweets; they were not directed at anyone in particular or the transgender community, but were simply posted on Twitter to be read by Mr Miller’s Twitter followers or anyone else who might come across them. Further, there was no evidence of what Mrs B’s friend thought of them, or that anyone other than the friend, or Mrs B read them or found them to be offensive or indecent or complained about them [271].

SocialConnection · 20/12/2021 11:59

Harry's just done a Facebook live but I can't listen to it yet!! Aaarggg!!! 🤣

Lovelyricepudding · 20/12/2021 11:59

I am pretty sure the police have had to drop a different database under similar conditions - DNA? (Can't remember the details )

AnneLovesGilbert · 20/12/2021 11:58

Brilliant news!

GoodPrincessWenceslas · 20/12/2021 11:56

I'd love to know how Mrs B's messages weren't recorded as hate crimes.

I really struggle to understand police thinking here. They were getting some massively offensive rants from someone who was clearly seething with hate for anything that is not rabidly right wing claiming she was upset, and they took her seriously? Why?

EarthStoodHardAsPrion · 20/12/2021 11:54

Wow! Those letters. Well from the writing style, it’s probably not the man I initially presumed it was, but another equally crazy man with a strong tendency to abusive namecalling.

This is great news, however. I can see how the concept of recording non-crime hate reports could have been useful, but of course like all public reporting, it would have required a strong element of common sense to filter out nutters seeking revenge etc. In recording everything and filtrering nothing, the police created a monster.

BettyFilous · 20/12/2021 11:52

@PronounssheRa

Great news, will this apply retrospectively and will the police now have to update all records where non crime hate incidents have been recorded
This was my first thought.
nauticant · 20/12/2021 11:51

Mrs B gets an oblique mention in the summary:

In particular, although the Guidance contained two narrow exceptions to the general rule that complaints must be recorded, the lack of any ‘common-sense’ discretion not to record irrational complaints

TheSonjaMorgan · 20/12/2021 11:50

OMG read those messages and thought these sound like they are written by an abusive man not a "cis woman". Do we know who this is yet? I can't believe a woman would write like this.

What a great victory anyway. Puuuuullllll...

MonsignorMirth · 20/12/2021 11:44

Wow, this seems to be quite a notable victory! Fair Cop website doesn't seem to be updated, anyone know if/ when the judgement will be available to read?

Does this mean NCHIs now no longer exist, legally? Will they tweak the criteria?

PronounssheRa · 20/12/2021 11:43

@nauticant

I thought GiantKitten was being rather robust over Mrs B so I thought I'd have a look for myself:

twitter.com/WeAreFairCop/status/1472838207469494272

Those messages are quite something.

Christ on a bike.
InvisibleDragon · 20/12/2021 11:43

If it's an actual database they can dump it all in one go with a "drop table" command. If every police force has its own manually curated word documents on a hard drive, they have bigger problems.

nauticant · 20/12/2021 11:37

I thought GiantKitten was being rather robust over Mrs B so I thought I'd have a look for myself:

twitter.com/WeAreFairCop/status/1472838207469494272

Those messages are quite something.

PronounssheRa · 20/12/2021 11:35

Thanks Manderley

I was just mulling over how much of a nightmare it would be for the police.

ChakaFridaMendips · 20/12/2021 11:32

Well done!

I still can’t really believe it got this far. I don’t want to think the police have some weird file of petty grievances against our names like a state branch of Human Resources.

GiantKitten · 20/12/2021 11:31

@PenguindreamsofDraco

Very good news. Shame it's been rather co-opted by Laurence Fox, but a great and deserved win nonetheless.

Will we get to find out who Ms B is now?

Having seen some of the emails etc from “Mrs B” quoted on Fair Cop Twitter this morning, I’m hoping the poor dear is feeling very nervous…
ArabellaScott · 20/12/2021 11:28

This is far, far broader than GC arguments.

Fenlandia · 20/12/2021 11:27

I'm sure some of the big names on Legal Twitter (who often aren't very sympathetic to GC arguments) will be cheering for this common-sense judgement...??

Liberty, Amnesty too - they surely don't support people being logged on police databases without being told...??

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