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Opinion piece in Australian newspaper - attacking removal of “woman” and other GI ideology

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EMotion · 14/12/2021 23:22

An opinion piece in The Courier-Mail, Queensland, Australia newspaper.
It’s behind a paywall, so have copied.
Raises many issues discussed here….

Abigail Boyd wrong to omit the word women for pregnant person in Zoe’s law | The Courier Mail

Vikki Campion

In the final sitting week of the year, the Greens sought to cancel the word “woman” from new laws, to appease 0.06 per cent of the birthing population who identify as men.

Seeking to “omit the word woman” and insert “pregnant person” 23 times, Greens MP Abigail Boyd also sought to “resist the creep towards foetal personhood”.

Revealing their legislative skillset ends at the copy-paste shortcut on a keyboard, the Greens even sought to cancel women from a bill that by its very nature requires the XX chromosome to be relevant - Zoe’s law - which means offenders whose criminal acts cause the loss of an unborn child face longer sentences.

After at least four attempts at similar reforms in the past, the law creates two offences, each adding up to three years to sentences for crimes that result in the loss of a foetus, recognising the loss of an unborn child as a unique injury to a pregnant woman.

So how do the Greens pretend to care about women when they want to wipe womanhood from legislation?

There are plenty of other issues where Ms Boyd recognises the reality of chromosomes, anatomy and assigned sex, including on the number of incarcerated Indigenous women, underreported sexual assaults on women and the pay inequality between women’s and men’s professional sports.

It’s just pregnancy where women must be omitted.

Who would have thought out of all political parties, it would be the Greens purporting possibly one of the grossest acts of misogyny ever seen in public life?

A gender-non-conforming party wouldn’t use slurs like “close your legs”, but that’s exactly what Greens Senator Lidia Thorpe said to Senator Hollie Hughes last week.

A gender-non-conforming party wouldn’t use violence against women, such as the anti-coal protesters in Queensland abusing and chasing down female workers on remote land, calling one “a f**king dumb slut”.

Of the 35,000 people who gave birth in 2019, only 22 identified as male. How misogynistic does a party need to be to wipe the childbirth and delivery efforts of 34,978 women, for the sake of 22 people who only got pregnant thanks to a uterus and ovary?

With Greens leader Adam Bandt publicly seeking a “power-sharing” arrangement with Labor, there’s a very real threat that these fringe ideologies could be mandated under Australian law.

It’s not hard to see how damaging it would be for women if non-gendered terms replace biological sex data that governments need to fund things unique to women - like physiotherapy for pelvic floor damage in pregnancy and childbirth, or ovarian cancer, which kills three Australian women every day.

The party that claims to champion women and calls for gender targets wipes women from the same framework that gave them the right to be in Parliament in the first place.

Women are four times more likely to experience sexual violence and we pay more in private health premiums than men.

From the provision of natal-care spaces, to services for menopause - female data is vital for government services.

Either the Greens want more women in power - or they want to cancel them from the political process by removing them from legislation intended to provide justice to pregnant women and their unborn children.

Equality for women relies on legislation that recognises biological sexual differences. That’s how we got the right to vote and own property.

When Dame Enid Lyons first entered the House of Representatives in 1943, men feared women in Government. They thought “we were better with a broom”.

Dame Lyons was the first to speak up for female welfare where during the war, “roughly, a man receives twice as much as a woman.”

“Is it really proposed to bribe women into matrimony, or to starve them into submission, so to speak?”

Politicians should know the difference between discriminating against gender identity and discriminating against sex.

Sex is assigned at birth. It’s either male or female. Gender is society’s set of expectations about how they should act.

A person who identifies as a man or is gender non-conforming still has ovaries and uterus of their assigned sex of a female, which allows them to get pregnant and give birth.

Gender is a construct, and all power to anyone who rejects gender norms.

But how do we swing that to argue that gender identity is so important that we should rewrite the law to say that men are birth-givers?

The human anatomy that allows that to happen is that of a woman.

Once we were women, and now we are dehumanised in order to be more humane to those who identify as men.

Now we are chest-feeders, bleeders, uterus-bearers, cervix owners and “bodies with vaginas” reduced to mere misogynistic symbols, as if the feminine experience is a perfumed, glossy-lipped, worshipped wonder and not a bloody, messy water-breaking, breast-leaking, pelvic-floor weakening, life-giving glory.

The reason language matters is because words are too important to mince.

The sexual abuse of a minor is the sexual abuse of a child.

Non-consensual sex is rape.

And a pregnant person is a woman.

Originally published as The Greens have dehumanised women to align with their political agenda, writes Vikki Campion

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Helleofabore · 16/12/2021 12:47
Grin
RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 16/12/2021 12:13

@Helleofabore

Also reminds me of those utter twats who, when they find out you are a vegetarian say ‘hitler was a vegetarian’ as if its a fucking gotcha….he wasnt

Did he like vegetables? At all?

Im sure he did

But he had gastric issues…farted like a champ apparently and drs suggested cutting down on meat

Helleofabore · 16/12/2021 10:04

That was 'walk' although as a kid, walking that far was 'work' too.

Helleofabore · 16/12/2021 10:03

Also reminds me of those utter twats who, when they find out you are a vegetarian say ‘hitler was a vegetarian’ as if its a fucking gotcha….he wasnt

Did he like vegetables? At all?

Helleofabore · 16/12/2021 10:02

So take away the names from some of these ‘gender’ statements and the vast majority of us would agree with the statements no matter who said them

Yes indeed.

I think I am just tired of right wing / left wing narratives. Us and Them!

And frankly, when there are so few state based newspapers, you take what you get and you make you own judgement based on what is written.

The Courier is what it is. It has historically been the paper that was delivered along the Queensland roads to the farmers so they actually would have papers. I remember having to work kilometres up the gravel road in my thongs to retrieve it from the long grass along the main road for my dad.

Even though there is now the internet and some improvement to connectivity to those country areas, there will still be many who rely on a physical paper being delivered if connection is crap and driving 25 QLD miles to the nearest newsagent for the daily paper is not an option.

This gets the message out there and makes people start thinking about it. If it alerts more people to the direction of that government took last year with the conversion therapy bill as well, all good.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 16/12/2021 09:37

I went on one of those ‘policy’ websites around the elections, i got the family to do it as well and some friends

You know one of those information sites that prints out the policies of four/six parties, so for example 6 manifesto statements on education for example but without the names of the parties

Two things struck me when we all did it, the first was just how very similar some of the policies were, to the extent that the last two i chose between on education were virtually the same (voted BNP on that one, and I’d never vote for them!) and the second was just how shocked some of us were when we’d completed it. My tory blue father for example hadn’t picked one single conservative policy

So take away the names from some of these ‘gender’ statements and the vast majority of us would agree with the statements no matter who said them

Humans can’t change sex and rapists shouldn’t be put in women’s prisons are statements i am always going to agree with no matter who says them

(Also reminds me of those utter twats who, when they find out you are a vegetarian say ‘hitler was a vegetarian’ as if its a fucking gotcha….he wasnt)

Helleofabore · 16/12/2021 08:41

@Bussinbussin

Unfortunate that the Courier Mail is a right wing, Murdoch rag.
It is however pretty much the state wide paper for Queensland and read widely. Even by those pesky National party women.

Murdoch owns so much of Australian printed media that I would also question the political bias here. The Tele in Sydney is certainly not ‘right wing’ in comparison.

Are we in danger of disregarding the message because of the author and the medium? I have seen many activists do this declaring the source as ‘unsafe’ and discredited.

Sure, question the morals of Joyce’s partner. Absolutely. But even the worse people in history can agree that water is wet.

GCMM · 15/12/2021 23:08

I think 22 in the whole of Australia still sounds a lot. It must mean 22 who are known publicly/who have sought publicity - that's more than the UK and we have a much bigger population.

JellySaurus · 15/12/2021 12:39

@Dustyblue

Um, this is Vikki Campion, partner of Barnaby Joyce (The Australian deputy PM), yes?

LOL!! She should ask Barnaby's ex-wife her thoughts on what damages women.

Fyi, she shagged Barnaby when he was married with 4 kids. He lost his deputy PM role because of it when she became pregnant (although for a while he publicly doubted it was his, nice) but the little weasel is back now.

Of course she's entitled to her opinion as much as the next but I simply cannot bear her, or him.

An yes, they're right wing as hell.

"Feminism is a political practice of fighting male supremacy on behalf of women as a class, including all the women you don't like, including all the women you don't want to be around, including all the women who used to be your best friends whom you don't want anything to do with anymore. It doesn't matter who the individual women are. " Andrea Dworkin

I don't know who this woman ban is, snd maybe her writing isn't entirely clear, but her points are valid and she gives oxygen to an incredibly important issue.

FannyCann · 15/12/2021 09:51

So, I think the figure should be 22 transmen gave birth (out of a total of 305,832 births) in Australia in 2019.

Thanks @EMotion

22 in one year in Queensland did sound rather a lot!

timeisnotaline · 15/12/2021 09:47

It’s a mix I think but officially/from a govt perspective LOTS of this is happening. they are renaming women in govt docs, you can change your birth certificate, a women’s refuge in Sydney lost funding due to not being trans inclusive and had to close, there was a post recently about a women raping someone with her penis (& I’m pretty sure they will go to a womens prison). On the other hand workplaces aren’t obsessed with it, and d&i is very gender focussed meaning sex, and when they say pride and diversity on these issues most people mean gay and lesbian. The Australian liberal party is in govt along with the nationals (headed by Vikki campions partner) and they are not supportive of women in any way.
Bernard Lane and Katherine Devine are two useful commentators/journos.

EMotion · 15/12/2021 09:39

It really depends on the state - Tasmania has removed compulsory sex marker/gender from their birth certificates, and allows anyone over 16 to change any “gender” that has been registered without parental approval. Parents can still register gender at birth, but it is entirely optional.

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ArabellaScott · 15/12/2021 09:32

@Beowulfa

I'm intrigued at how gender woo is going down in Australia. My experience of the place was that down to earth bluntness and sporting fairness was very important?
I'd like to know more, too. Sounds like some really alarming stuff happening, but I don't know enough about the culture/political background to assess it properly.
nauticant · 15/12/2021 09:27

If I wasn't already up to speed with gender issues I don't know I'd have any idea what she was talking about at the end.

This. I read it and thought that although I could follow it I imagine anyone coming to this from new would be pretty baffled.

Beowulfa · 15/12/2021 09:26

I'm intrigued at how gender woo is going down in Australia. My experience of the place was that down to earth bluntness and sporting fairness was very important?

EMotion · 15/12/2021 09:23

@RufustheFloralmissingreindeer, @FannyCann

I think that the 35,000 is a mis-print.
According to the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS), 305,832 babies were born in 2019 in Australia.
The Queensland Government statistics show that 61,735 babies were born in Queensland in 2019.

So, I think the figure should be 22 transmen gave birth (out of a total of 305,832 births) in Australia in 2019.

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timeisnotaline · 15/12/2021 09:20

@DifficultBloodyWoman

Like others, I’m a little surprised this came from Vikki Campion but I do agree with her.

I don’t accept her party politics, although, perhaps, they were not her opinions but those of her (former) employer, in which case she was just a professional doing a job.

But I will stand for women and alongside anyone else willing to stand for women.

I hope that Vikki Campion will continue to raise awareness of this. She is in a very good position to do so when you consider her personal networks and professional experience.

I don’t think so, one of her other columns this year is what a great dad scott Morrison is. I think she and Barnaby are pretty aligned! I’d want to verify her stats actually. 22 trans men giving birth sounds like a lot, especially considered the birth rate is at a 100 year low in australia.
RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 15/12/2021 08:58

No idea who she is

I found the people and transman birth bit very interesting

Thanks for posting this OP

DifficultBloodyWoman · 15/12/2021 08:32

Like others, I’m a little surprised this came from Vikki Campion but I do agree with her.

I don’t accept her party politics, although, perhaps, they were not her opinions but those of her (former) employer, in which case she was just a professional doing a job.

But I will stand for women and alongside anyone else willing to stand for women.

I hope that Vikki Campion will continue to raise awareness of this. She is in a very good position to do so when you consider her personal networks and professional experience.

GlorianaCervixia · 15/12/2021 08:01

I think she made some good points in this article but I don't want to see this become part of a left vs right culture war as it has in America. The next federal election looks like it might result in a hung parliament and it looks like the LNP can see this will work as a wedge issue for them.

Where are the Australian journalists/politicians from the left on women's rights? Nowhere to be found. They're either silent or completely on board with TWAW. There's no equivalent of Helen Joyce or Janice Turner. I hope some of them are watching what's happening in the UK and taking note.

FannyCann · 15/12/2021 07:54

Leaving aside who she and her husband are, it's a bit rambling and incoherent in places. If I wasn't already up to speed with gender issues I don't know I'd have any idea what she was talking about at the end.

Interested to see 22 trans men gave birth in 2019 (in Queensland alone?). I don't know what the numbers are in the UK and probably most don't seek publicity unlike a certain well known mother of one with another on the way, but I would have imagined the number was less UK wide. It's obviously catching on.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 15/12/2021 07:52

Quite apart from the dehumanising aspect of removing language that means woman, you are absolutely right that it makes researching/tracking women's experience so much more difficult. You would have to search for sex specific body parts/conditions in legislation, policy and studies in order to track what is happening with women across different disciplines. We need the words female, woman and women to mean women. Where relevant it is of course appropriate to track also those of them who also identify as trans or non-binary.

Dustyblue · 15/12/2021 07:39

@timeisnotaline

Oh dear. It’s a great article, but Barnaby Joyce’s partner… I want my grand children to have a planet and he and his Neanderthal posse are fighting against that. She’d say anything anti greens tbh which substantially diminishes the power of her words.
Yes, quite.
TheSandgroper · 15/12/2021 07:21

All I know of her is what I have read about her in the newspapers but I do like what she has written here.

timeisnotaline · 15/12/2021 02:07

@StartupRepair

Yes have no time for Campion. Or her drunken philandering partner, also known as Australia's Deputy Prime Minister.
Yes- he’s been in hotel quarantine in Washington DC and Id love to know how much alcohol is being snuck in to sustain him for two weeks.