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Council of Europe's report on hate against LGBTI people in Europe completely misrepresents gender critical feminism

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WeeBisom · 13/12/2021 17:39

So the council of Europe wrote a report, and they don't like gender critical feminists very much. Report is here;

assembly.coe.int/LifeRay/EGA/Pdf/TextesProvisoires/2021/20210921-RisingHateLGBTI-EN.pdf

The report is really weird because they get so much of the basics wrong. The the report defines an 'anti gender' stance as "reject[ing] the notion that gender is a social construct, distinct from (biological) sex and not based on a binary." I'm not sure what the 'binary' part is supposed to mean ( I've always thought discussions of the binary is a red herring), but I DON"T reject the idea that gender is a social construct that is distinct from biological sex. So I am supposedly 'anti-gender' by being a gender critical feminist, and yet they can't even correctly describe what it is I supposedly believe.

The report then says that the gender critical movements "work to maintain unequal gender relations in the name of “tradition”, “family values”, “Christian values”, or a so-called “natural order”. Attacks on abortion, access to contraception, comprehensive sexuality education, same-sex marriage, gender, legal gender recognition, access to transition-related medical care, trans and intersex persons’ participation in sport, and ratification and implementation of the Istanbul Convention all form part of this agenda." But this seems to throw many disparate movements together. Gender critical feminists don't believe in christian values or the natural order. They aren't trying to get rid of contraception, abortion or sex education. It's like the report doesn't quite know what its target actually is.

Later on, the authors sulkily report that a self ID law failed in Spain because it didn't get a majority in Parliament despite 70 trans people undergoing hunger strike. The fault is laid at the feet of gender critical feminists " that portray trans people as a threat to society, and in particular to women, deny the identities of trans and non-binary people, suggest that they cannot be trusted to know who they are, and depict parents who are supportive of their trans children as criminals."

They then describe the UK gender critical movement:
"In the United Kingdom, anti-trans rhetoric, arguing that sex is immutable and gender identities not valid, has also been gaining baseless and concerning credibility, at the expense of both trans people’s civil liberties and women’s and children’s rights."

So wait...it's anti trans to say that sex is immutable (meaning unchanging.) But earlier, the report said that it was ANTI gender to reject that sex and gender are separate and different. Gender critical feminists say that gender could change, but sex certainly cannot. So why is it anti-trans to believe the straightforward scientific fact that human beings cannot change their sex? And we also have that weasel word 'valid' pop up. I imagine what they mean is we refuse to believe that a male declaring himself to be a woman just IS a woman in every relevant sense of the word. But that again is because of the sex/gender distinction!

They go on: "The ‘gender-critical’ movement, which wrongly portrays trans rights as posing a particular threat to cisgender women and girls, has played a significant role in this process, notably since the 2018 public consultation on updating the Gender Recognition Act 2004 for England and Wales. In parallel, trans rights organisations have faced vitriolic media campaigns, in which trans women especially are vilified and misrepresented. The gender- critical campaign – which continues to gain momentum, power and financial support – has been instrumental in creating a situation in which legal gender recognition processes still require a clinical diagnosis of gender dysphoria, and remain inaccessible to non-binary people and anyone under 18."

Most chillingly, the report has a recommendation for politicians; "Such anti-trans narratives, wrongly portraying trans rights as a threat to women and to others’ rights and insisting on binary categorisations of sex and gender that do not correspond to lived realities, are becoming increasingly pervasive in Europe. Effective criminal and anti-discrimination legislation are more crucial than ever in this context."

I don't know about you, but I'm a little insulted that gender critical feminist are supposedly this massive, evil threat and yet they can't even be bothered to work out what it is we actually believe and campaign for. I imagine that they have to keep spreading lies that we are all fundie christians or else other people will realise we are speaking perfect common sense.

For instance, they continually repeat the lie that trans rights are not a threat to women's rights. Well, if women's right encompass the right to single sex spaces, but any male gets to declare he is of the female sex then there clearly IS a clash. I don't know why they continue to deny that there is a clash here. Simply clapping their hands on their ears and going lalala there's no conflict doesn't actually make the conflict go away.!

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OldCrone · 13/12/2021 18:59

There was a (short) thread about this a couple of months ago.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4369580-Debbie-Hayton-on-the-Council-of-Europe

unherd.com/2021/10/europes-war-on-sex/

Artichokeleaves · 13/12/2021 18:36

In this bizarre mindset however, if you don't hold certain political beliefs you're not LGB. It's being reshaped as a political position instead of a group of diverse people with homosexuality in common.

Rather like women is now a political idea instead of a diverse group of people with biology in common.

AssassinatedBeauty · 13/12/2021 18:31

[quote WeeBisom]@AssassinatedBeauty: it's a really interesting bait and switch, because you read about the repression of LGB rights (laws being passed banning same sex kissing and public) but this is bundled in with gender critical feminism as the same phenomena even though many gender critical feminists are pro LGB.[/quote]

Indeed many gender critical feminists are L or B.

AssassinatedBeauty · 13/12/2021 18:29

If you do a search for the terms "lesbian", "gay" and then "trans" you can see a huge disparity in the mentions of each of those terms which is interesting... In fact the use of the word lesbian as a stand along word (not part of the LGBTI acronym) occurs only a couple of times in the entire report.

Artichokeleaves · 13/12/2021 18:22

Ah, the good old political resort of Making Stuff Up. Grin

No, reality isn't concerning, and no, the threat to women and children's rights is not coming from the women shouting 'hang on a minute, reality isn't concerning or unspeakable and look at the threat to women and children's rights!'.

WeeBisom · 13/12/2021 18:19

@AssassinatedBeauty: it's a really interesting bait and switch, because you read about the repression of LGB rights (laws being passed banning same sex kissing and public) but this is bundled in with gender critical feminism as the same phenomena even though many gender critical feminists are pro LGB.

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Toseland · 13/12/2021 18:01

All they’ve got is lies isn’t it? I’ve seen 4 people this week arguing that it’s feminists who want to enforce strict 1950s stereotypes. That’s where #nodebate has lead us. It’s such a mess. Everyone is arguing at cross purposes whilst a lot of sneaking in laws in the background is going on.

AssassinatedBeauty · 13/12/2021 17:58

The guy mentioned at the top as the author is a Green Party member from Belgium, who most definitely has a political agenda on this.

What I find jarring, as well as all the bonkers claims about feminism in the UK, is the use of the term LGBTI. It shoves sexuality in with gender ideology and worse, shoves people with DSDs into the same grouping. The report then claims that people who are against "gender ideology" are against all these groups as a whole. Bizarre.

I wonder what the process is for commissioning these reports and for judging the quality and accuracy of the claims made. And for whether they represent a political viewpoint or are supposed to be neutral.

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