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Is that.. The Guardian coming to its senses?

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Awkwardy · 13/12/2021 13:50

I sense a turning tide...

www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2021/dec/13/swimming-trans-debate-starting-to-change

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dropthevipers · 13/12/2021 15:45

Of course it isn't. If you relied on the graun for GC news you would be in for a long wait. Girl Guides weirdo? Nope. Loudon County rapist? Zilch. If in doubt, try to post anything remotely GC in the comments-binned immediately.

PlanetNormal · 13/12/2021 15:28

Ingle is a specialist sports journalist who happens to work for the Guardian, rather than a political journalist with a pro-trans agenda writing about sport, which explains his approach to the subject.

RoyalCorgi · 13/12/2021 15:14

Sean Ingle has been pretty good on this but the piece is unnecessarily tentative - perhaps because it's the Guardian.

Men shouldn't compete in women's sports.

Helleofabore · 13/12/2021 15:11

If you would like some back story, this thread is tracking the goings on.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4414643-Penn-s-Lia-Thomas-breaks-200-500-Free-records-in-meet-with-Princeton-Cornell

Beowulfa · 13/12/2021 15:07

The Grauniad's sports coverage is often quite decent. I don't see how you can be a professional sports journalist and not know why men and women compete separately in nearly all fields.

BoundariesAlready · 13/12/2021 15:04

It's almost as if current testosterone levels aren't the only factor in why men have an advantage over women 🤔

anotherchocolate · 13/12/2021 15:01

@WeeBisom

To be honest, I don’t see why there has to be “careful” discussions and “sensitive” debate about this issue. Female sport should be for females only. Gender identity is irrelevant. Male participants should compete in another category.
100%.

I imagine the "debate" has to be careful and sensitive for Grauniad readers, however, lest their cognitive dissonance run into overdrive and explode what's left of their hijacked brains.

I say this as a former Grauniad reader.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 13/12/2021 14:58

@VestofAbsurdity
Yes. Wait for Thomas to finish and then commence the female race.

LobsterNapkin · 13/12/2021 14:32

@WeeBisom

To be honest, I don’t see why there has to be “careful” discussions and “sensitive” debate about this issue. Female sport should be for females only. Gender identity is irrelevant. Male participants should compete in another category.
Yes, I just don't get it.

There is no reason to separate sports by gender. It makes no sense.

VestofAbsurdity · 13/12/2021 14:24

@WeeBisom

To be honest, I don’t see why there has to be “careful” discussions and “sensitive” debate about this issue. Female sport should be for females only. Gender identity is irrelevant. Male participants should compete in another category.
Neither do I, this type of pandering is part of the problem.
VestofAbsurdity · 13/12/2021 14:23

@Cailin66

Hopefully Liar Thomas will sweep the boards at the next swim meet. It would be even nicer if the women refused to compete. Would love if Thomas got a slow hand clap too.
It would be a powerful message if all the women at the next meet just stayed on the blocks but I understand that that is very hard for them to do.
Cailin66 · 13/12/2021 14:20

Hopefully Liar Thomas will sweep the boards at the next swim meet. It would be even nicer if the women refused to compete. Would love if Thomas got a slow hand clap too.

WeeBisom · 13/12/2021 14:05

To be honest, I don’t see why there has to be “careful” discussions and “sensitive” debate about this issue. Female sport should be for females only. Gender identity is irrelevant. Male participants should compete in another category.

RepentMotherfucker · 13/12/2021 14:02

I think Sean has always been onside. Like Hadley and a few others.

I'm sure Owen Jones people hide his mug in the staff coffee room though...

weebarra · 13/12/2021 13:59

I came on to see if there was a thread about this. The article is still in the 'be kind' mould but at least references the different arguments which is a welcome change.

ErrolTheDragon · 13/12/2021 13:58

Sean Ingle never lost his sense. For some reason - perhaps because the sport section is largely male dominated, and men by and large don't buy TWAW - he's been able to write quite a few sensible articles in the last few years without colleagues feeling threatened and forcing his removal.