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And just like that - females squeamish at male public masturbation

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MuchasSmoochas · 11/12/2021 15:30

Has anyone watched the new Sex and the City show yet? I got really annoyed and switched off. Carrie is on a podcast, lots of chat about cis het. Whatevs.

But what really made me furious was when the male podcast guest said he couldn’t think of anywhere where he hadn’t masturbated in public. And Carrie said she hadn’t and they laughed at her like she was such a prude. I suppose it was trying to show how behind the times she is. I suppose she didn’t want to “kink shame” .

When did it become ok for men to masturbate in public?

Yes I know it’s a shit show BTW.

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FallonCarringtonWannabe · 11/12/2021 22:24

@334bu

I think the point of the post is less to do with the quality of the newly rebooted Sex in the City and more to do with it being acceptable to express in a popular television show that public masturbation is totally normal and fine and that everybody does it.

No need nowadays to have a dirty old mac to open when you want to flash your dick in public.

Absolutely this. It is a sex offence. It is a crime. Ffs.
Justsotirednow · 11/12/2021 22:19

Yeah, and what a loss that would have been.
Not sure why I would need to know who has anal and what some man’s sperm tastes like.

I guess that’s why I never bother watching the whole series, just don’t see why any of that is important.

It is good of course to those that value this kind of conversations.
There really isin’t any taboo anymore for having or talking any kind of sex.

NandorTheRelentless · 11/12/2021 21:37

[quote Justsotirednow]@NandorTheRelentless

Okey, thank you.
I guess the sex stuff was more important issues then than they are now/for my age group.

We still need many more -not wanting husband/kids- rolemodels.[/quote]
Its less important now, because it was important then.

Even that close in 'history' the sex they had/talked about was not mainstream, was not discussed - anal sex, blow jobs, taste of sperm

All of those discussions were on a tv show that wasnt porn (was riske - cant type the funny e) and pushed boundaries

CheeseMmmm · 11/12/2021 21:27

Sorry series not film.
Still masses of people will watch it.
And they decide that's what to give them?

What were they THINKING???!!

CheeseMmmm · 11/12/2021 21:25

Op is that verbatim?

The man can't think of ANYWHERE he hasn't wanked in public?

Really ???

Outside a primary school at hometime?
In an old people's home common room?
In the middle of the road at a festival with a matching band walking towards him?
In a popular area in a children's play park?
In the middle of a rally for trump supporters?
At a funeral?

He sounds extremely dangerous.
Surely at least some of those would be a crime?

And they have a man who wanks in public spaces constantly, taking the piss out of a WOMAN for not doing it?

Did the writers think this through?

Why did they decide to, in a film which will have huge audiences. Decide to present men wanking their cocks frequently and at all and sundry strangers. As just totally normal. And why don't women do it. Even though everybody knows. This is hardly uncommon for men to do, it's a fetish that is known to escalate sometimes to terrible crimes. It's really not ok to masturbate in public let alone everywhere. And. That's it's not something linked to women doing it, and this is also something everybody knows.

I'm really wtf tbh.

What's the certificate.

I liked Sam best as well. Apart from the character played, she was the only one with any fucking charisma.

beastlyslumber · 11/12/2021 21:24

I remember reading that SATC was written by gay men. The premise was that the female characters were basically gay men. This made it all make sense to me. I liked the fashion but never related to the characters or stories.

Have not seen the reboot but I will be very surprised if there's any pushback against the pronouns. It'll be all about educating the silly old women about what really matters. Their journey will be all about learning from the youth.

I hope I'm wrong.

Ilkleymoor · 11/12/2021 21:11

It was a genuinely funny comedy that had four female leads. This is still fairly unusual. It's very unusual still that the focus was female friendship, with relationships as the side story. And all four characters were relatively developed.

The Frank discussion around sex was very very unusual for the time.

But mainly funny

NandorTheRelentless · 11/12/2021 19:48

@PiscesSt

Yeah I watched it and enjoyed it. I loved the old series in the 90s and the first movie. Yes the second movie was cringy and a bit of this new series is but I like it and will continue to like it I’m sure.
Yes, I agree first film wasn't too bad but the second Jesus, it was embarrassing to watch it was so bad.
PiscesSt · 11/12/2021 19:35

kimikos nightmare yes it’s mainly a comedy about 4 womens lives. No point analysing it. The beautiful clothes are still there, the relationships and life problems. I love it and I’m glad it’s back.

KimikosNightmare · 11/12/2021 19:25

[quote Yeswhatno]@NandorTheRelentless
I watched the original series, and it was witty and funny, and intelligent, and talked about important issues

genuine question:
What were the important issues?

I was pretty young when I watched and haven’t seen that many episode and all I can remember is fashion, shoes, hair and sex.
So very shallow show what I remember.[/quote]
I loved it first time round. I thought it was witty and funny and intelligent writing. I loved the clothes.

I don't remember it dealing with important issues and I do recall thinking it was fairly shallow most of the time. I don't have the slightest problem with shallow.

PiscesSt · 11/12/2021 19:17

Yeah I watched it and enjoyed it. I loved the old series in the 90s and the first movie. Yes the second movie was cringy and a bit of this new series is but I like it and will continue to like it I’m sure.

Justsotirednow · 11/12/2021 19:08

@NandorTheRelentless

Okey, thank you.
I guess the sex stuff was more important issues then than they are now/for my age group.

We still need many more -not wanting husband/kids- rolemodels.

Soontobe60 · 11/12/2021 18:21

[quote DoucheCanoe]@NandorTheRelentless yes really.

If SATC was referenced in the title I wouldn't have opened the thread, the title and subject matter are part of a wider discussion that needs to be had.

This is the feminist chat section, not TV addicts![/quote]
Back of the net 🤣🤣🤣

teawamutu · 11/12/2021 18:13

[quote Yeswhatno]@NandorTheRelentless
I watched the original series, and it was witty and funny, and intelligent, and talked about important issues

genuine question:
What were the important issues?

I was pretty young when I watched and haven’t seen that many episode and all I can remember is fashion, shoes, hair and sex.
So very shallow show what I remember.[/quote]
My first and last episode had Carrie trilling in her column that men and women were a bit like Northern Ireland Vs Eire - basically the same but slightly different perspectives, or some such unspeakable vapid shite.

Never tried again.

NandorTheRelentless · 11/12/2021 18:12

[quote Yeswhatno]@NandorTheRelentless
I watched the original series, and it was witty and funny, and intelligent, and talked about important issues

genuine question:
What were the important issues?

I was pretty young when I watched and haven’t seen that many episode and all I can remember is fashion, shoes, hair and sex.
So very shallow show what I remember.[/quote]
Issues like women enjoy sex (mainly Samantha), not every woman wants a husband and family (Carrie) issues that come up about sex like when is it ok to x y z

Twiglets1 · 11/12/2021 18:12

Meh - Samantha was always the best character anyway

Yeswhatno · 11/12/2021 18:06

And going on and on and on about men……

Yeswhatno · 11/12/2021 18:06

@NandorTheRelentless
I watched the original series, and it was witty and funny, and intelligent, and talked about important issues

genuine question:
What were the important issues?

I was pretty young when I watched and haven’t seen that many episode and all I can remember is fashion, shoes, hair and sex.
So very shallow show what I remember.

middleager · 11/12/2021 17:58

This article describes some of the issues mentioned around wokeness and women aged 50+ being treated like out of touch dinosaurs. The author is 37, but also finds the show's desperate attempts to be hip, insulting and alienating to the core audience.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10297831/MEGHAN-McCAIN-Just-Like-Sex-City-died-wokeness.html

thirstyformore · 11/12/2021 17:47

I'm pretty sure masturbating in public is a criminal offence. At least in the UK. Not watched the show (tbh I wasn't a huge fan of SATC anyway) but sounds like it's not grasping it's target audience very well!

Franca123 · 11/12/2021 17:35

I thought the same thing. So now mainstream TV is telling us we're prudes if we object to masturbating in public? So gross. I'm not taking it too seriously as it was generally shit. It had no idea what it was doing or who it was doing it for.

teezletangler · 11/12/2021 17:20

Here is hoping, Kotatsu! That would be very refreshing.

The Brady sex thing is just bizarre. I don't think there are any households where this would be normal behaviour.

NandorTheRelentless · 11/12/2021 17:19

Have Carrie go "actually, no, I don't want to talk about masterbating, I don't think it's normal to masterbate in public, and I don't want it to be normal. I'm off", not sure she would on that type of show

Miranda stop apologising and remember that she's been around the block a bit, and that she can tell her 17 year old off/to stop having sex with his girlfriend under her roof if she wants, for fucks sake YES!!!

Kotatsu · 11/12/2021 17:02

Rose is of course going to come out as NB/trans at some point.

They could shock us all, and it turns out to actually be a massive fake out - that they'll actually treat the issues with some thought and nuance rather than 'girl, doesn't like dresses, likes skating and her dad, must be boy', and have her rant that she's a girl/woman, who happens to like these things and it's all fine.

Have Carrie go "actually, no, I don't want to talk about masterbating, I don't think it's normal to masterbate in public, and I don't want it to be normal. I'm off", Miranda stop apologising and remember that she's been around the block a bit, and that she can tell her 17 year old off/to stop having sex with his girlfriend under her roof if she wants, and for Charlotte to just carry on being Charlotte, and have everyone roll their eyes and gently pat her hand at her straight-laced, ultra-feminine self, who they appreciate for that too.

I'm going to watch episode 3 before I make the call about watching any more I think.

teezletangler · 11/12/2021 16:41

There seems to be a new thing coming out from the gender lot - that we're 'confused' by them - the podcast host brought it up - as if she was any more gender-non-conforming than the bloke she happily described as a 'cis male'..

Indeed. Said while wearing an absolute face full of makeup too Confused so gender non-conforming...

I balked at Che's suggestion that Carrie will get labelled as "the boring vanilla cis het married lady" or words to that effect. Gosh, what a terrible thing to be! There did seem to be a bit of pushback from Carrie and Miranda on this, but it's hard to tell if there is any criticism of the new woke "sex positivity" or if they are just going to be shown to be out of touch old women. So far I'm not impressed. It all feels a bit sexist and ageist, actually.

Rose is of course going to come out as NB/trans at some point.