And just like that - females squeamish at male public masturbation

I still haven't watched it but, if the storyline is going to be about the discomfiture of a woman who used to be a sex columnist in this new world, then I think that could be perfectly valid.

And given that we always viewed the old show through Carrie's eyes, I'd be surprised if she was suddenly turned into a figure of fun, especially if she's still a producer.

I repeat, I haven't watched the new show yet but I'd give that story time to pan out before passing judgment.

So sick of the small little messages appearing in everyday media to belittle anyone who isn't a self declared "ally" or "woke" enough to just go along without thought of what it means for society.

I agree with this. I see it in a different but similar way when strangling/rough sex is mentioned - the person who thinks wtf is told they’re old-fashioned.

I don't watch SATC but this boundary pushing is insidious in its frequency.

There was a bbc drama in 2019 with the young woman from Three Girls and an older woman from Corrie. The Corrie actor played a uni prof and in ep 1 she masturbated in the campus toilets.

Another show I started recently on Netflix, i think originally channel4, Pixels. The young female protagonist told her male friends she was logging off so she could go and masturbate in the office toilets. The whole idea that this is something women commonly do and is no big deal is just

@CoolShoeshine
Exactly, that was my take on it.

I wasn’t keen to watch it, having hated the first film (avoided the second) but my partner wanted to and I was sufficiently curious to stay in the room. I think it’s a bit clunky and silly, but interesting enough that I’ll probably keep watching. I actually found the way they dealt with the ‘woke’ stuff more nuanced than I expected - particularly in Miranda’s interactions with her lecturer, I think they put both sides (although in a slightly awkward, ‘educational’ tone).

@Helen8220 I think the pp was explaining that the others on the podcast were clearly joking when they suggested that one of them masturbates on the subway. The —point was that Carrie was uncomfortable even joking about it, and therefore didn’t fit in with the general tone of the podcast. Anyway, I felt like we were being invited to empathise with her as much as to laugh at her.

This says it exactly how I meant to. The show is giving a nod to the fact that times have changed, ie Carrie no longer writes a newspaper column but is part of a podcast. She’s not a comedian like her co-hosts and is nowhere near as comfortable talking openly about sexual themes as she is about writing about them.

Maybe you could also interpret the show to be alluding to the fact that times and attitudes have changed making the original show dated, but that modern ‘woke’ culture isn’t necessarily perfect too?

I found it quite boring so haven’t watched any of the films or this one. But surely they checked about masturbating in public with a safeguarding person? As this is quite red alert behaviour, it’s often the precursor to sexual assault. That’s why it’s taken more seriously in criminal law now.

Definitely not this one.

"When did it become ok for men to masturbate in public?"

It's not, and men who get caught doing this in public rightly get into a whole load of trouble which includes placed on the sex offender registry.

Can't comment on sex on the city, I don't watch it.

@DoucheCanoe @334bu
I think the pp was explaining that the others on the podcast were clearly joking when they suggested that one of them masturbates on the subway. The point was that Carrie was uncomfortable even joking about it, and therefore didn’t fit in with the general tone of the podcast. Anyway, I felt like we were being invited to empathise with her as much as to laugh at her.

Sorry, that was in response to @CoolShoeshine.

"It was the show acknowledging that times and attitudes had changed but and the character hadn’t quite kept up with it. Carrie’s discomfort at their jokes (and presumably the viewers’ agreement with her) proves that the programme makers weren’t normalising public wanking."

Acknowledging that attitudes and times have changed towards men wanking in public places? What hadn't the character or the viewer kept up with?

By that logic the middle aged population are out of touch with something that is seen as normal by the younger generation. It shouldn't be "normal" by any ones standards!

I remember watching it when I was young and thinking it was all edgy and interesting and empowering.

I went back and watched a couple of shows recently and cringed at the attitudes to others - their attitudes to the young, old, poor, unsuccessful, uneducated etc etc. They lived in a bubble and despised everyone outside it.

I only managed half an episode of the new series

.* It was the show acknowledging that times and attitudes had changed but and the character hadn’t quite kept up with it. Carrie’s discomfort at their jokes (and presumably the viewers’ agreement with her) proves that the programme makers weren’t normalising public wanking.*

Sorry bit confused here. If show is acknowledging that the character is not keeping up with current attitudes, how is that not " normalising public wanking" ?

@CheeseMmmm. It’s not that deep. Or that wasn’t how I perceived it.
Carrie used to be an edgy “bright young thing” columnist, writing about love/sex lives of singleton New Yorkers. The character has aged/mellowed and the original show contained some themes seen as dated by today’ standards.
Carrie has moved to a podcast. She was uncomfortable with the masterbation “banter” with her younger co-hosts. It was the show acknowledging that times and attitudes had changed but and the character hadn’t quite kept up with it. Carrie’s discomfort at their jokes (and presumably the viewers’ agreement with her) proves that the programme makers weren’t normalising public wanking.

You're not selling the reboot to me (not a surprise - they rarely work in my opinion) but, when I think of the original show, my big memories are of Miranda's mother dying, Samantha's cancer and Charlotte's infertility. For a shallow show, it packed a pretty big emotional punch I think. Great clothes too.

Oooh, I now do remember one of the episodes I saw.

Wasn’t there an episode where one them pointed oit that there is now celebrating single people or something like that?
And spending a lot of time and monet for other people’s weddings/babies.

I hope I remember right.
That was very, very good thing to point out.
These things really aren’t talked about, even today.
Marriages and babies are put so high on the pedastal.
It’s really is unfair.

The normalisation of what is really deviant t behaviour is very worrying. It is the same attitude that has people saying of the women complaining about the flasher in the Wi Spa in Los Angeles, that they shouldn't have been looking at his penis anyway.

@NandorTheRelentless

but there was, and now there isnt

That’s exactly what I said.

The show is now written by a 70+ gay man who has no interest in middle-aged women. And that shows.

But...

What about the OP?

Carrie bring laughed at by a man who can't think of anywhere he hasn't masturbated in public.

Any other thoughts?

I'm totally wtf why? Just WHY?

Miranda was good but hated the way they often characterised her.

Charlotte meh. Funny though.

Carrie was vile. Self centred, stalky, no empathy, vain, shallow, judgemental mainly to women due to their clothes/ look. She behaved outrageously badly to any women who had something she wanted.
Often nasty to her friends.

I have a rough idea what narcissism is, I think that's her..?

BUT I always assumed audience were supposed to think she was horrible.

The things they had her say do think etc. It was too often and consistent for it not to have been intention to make her just an awful person.

I think you had to be there. It was of it's time. A lot of it was seen as outrageous to mention.

Back then yes theoretically things had moved on. Well they had but generally a prog starring 4 women (unusual in itself) talking about sex openly was v unusual indeed.

The message essentially was.

Women can and do enjoy sex.

Expecting generally to enjoy it and hopefully come not a pipe dream. Esp in a relationship. Women expecting to enjoy het sex should be a norm not a hope.

Consent obv. Can't remember all but I remember the sex being enthusiastic on both sides which is how it should be esp when one off first chunk of relationships. Which is how it should be.

Lots of sex to not wanting sex outside LTR both fine. Do what you want to do.

All that sort of thing.

Iirc there was also stuff about. Some things like thrush? Can't quite remember but sure stuff like that.

The things women do/ feel/ chat to their very close female friends about. On the screen? That was surprisingly, not really seen at the time.

Yes it was of it's time. Has massively dated. If see now it's got massive flaws and hard to remember why was so popular.

I don't think writing it off completely is fair though.

Arrgh lost long post!

I wasn't an avid viewer but watched it.

Sam was brilliant.
Constantly highlighting the massive double standards between men and women when it comes to sex.

I remember-

Just ignored what others thought/said about her lifestyle. so what, I'm doing my thing (although seem to remember sometimes got to her which was important v much).

A woman who really enjoyed sex but had zero buy in to societal expectations IE settle down, marry, babies etc.

And even her friends pushed it at her. Wouldn't you like a relationship? What about children? You can't keep on like this forever you're getting older. Etc.

Much much younger bf.

And the breast cancer storyline.

Plus she was the only one with any charisma at all.

you might not need to know, and quite frankly I personally have got through life without tasting sperm, but I know thats just me - and the world doesnt revolve around me

but there was, and now there isnt