And just like that - females squeamish at male public masturbation

The show leaves it up to the viewer.

Hole is the message that the cishet etc view is the right one?

It’s a TV series @Pickledlipstick. No excuses necessary.

@CheeseMmmm Not quite that either. The (female) main protagonist of the series has began taking part in a podcast with a man and another woman (who calls herself non-binary for whatever reason).

The man and other woman begin talking about masturbation (a topic the protagonist doesn’t shy away from in her newspaper column in the original series). However, they begin talking about where they have masturbated, where in public they’ve done so etc. Then they begin to quiz the protagonist about her masturbation habits. She stutters, is embarrassed, and doesn’t answer.

Then in private, the other woman gives her a hard time. Protagonist explains it’s not her scene to discuss masturbation in such a way. Other woman accused her of being a white, middle class, cis, het woman, and protagonist vows to do better (because she wants to keep her job).

It is absolutely excruciating and I am praying that ‘woke’ is being made to look so ridiculous that the series might be gearing up to surprise us.

TV series I've not seen it.

You didn't get the same message as OP?

Sorry for typos

Whenever or whenever it comes out I assume ? We’re taking about watching it the other day unless Uve got mixed up thought it was a movie ?

Oh FFS!

So edgy.

A woman pushing a man/men to tell all about his masturbatory habits?

That's somehow even worse!

Men need less encouragement to bring their penises to the attention of women! Not more.

And women and girls really don't need the message that it's cool to be interested when it comes to random men and anything to do with their willies..

Unless that's not quite it either...

Really don't want to watch it suppose need to if want to get pissed off about it!

Your friends want to see it where, @Pickledlipstick?

My friends want to go and see this .. think I will be after making my excuses

It was the woman pushing the subject, @CheeseMmmm

Unless this bit was obviously about nasty horrible men being really nasty to women?

Maybe she told the others after and they all said what total utter bastards?

(Hopeful!).

Hold on- not seen it.

Reading the posts I think what happened is that-

A woman is talking to a man (men?) for her podcast.
Somehow (who starts that conversation?) it leads to-

A man telling a woman about his public masturbation habit.
-well that's not at all likely to be something many women would feel even at all comfy with
-many women know that men talking about things that are likely to cause a woman real discomfort with, is done deliberately to make her feel really uncomfy
-assuming he's not telling the truth is a mistake

She doesn't like it and the men laugh at her.
-see above re men doing this stuff because woman will feel really uncomfy, laughing at her is standard. With this behaviour. More than one man hearing/ joining in/ laughing. Well it's happened to a lot of women and girls, however many times. And it's just really totally shit. And that's why they do it.

men insisting wanking in public is NOT a problem in any way so why she being so prudish.
-nonsense and really extreme nonsense at that.

Ask the woman if she masturbates in public.
-yikes. That's taking it further than even men who do this tend to go.

On mainstream popular prog that will have massive audience.

I really really don't think it's a good idea to assume that because a charachter on a tv show says something we are supposed to agree that it's either true or good. Or that if someone is depicted as being behind the times, we're supposed to agree that's a bad thing.

And in comedy, if those scenarios are depicted as funny, it still doesn't mean we are supposed to agree with it.

I was laughing my ass off a few days ago about an man on a comedy being stabbed with a pitch fork but I do not think the show was suggesting this was a good or laudable thing. Or even common.

I never especially liked SITC. I find a lot of comedies don't work for me so it is partly just that, but I also felt that rather than normalizing single women without kids and that being fine, a lot of the time it made them look like of like selfish wankers, which was rather off-putting.

I was pretty young when I watched and haven’t seen that many episode and all I can remember is fashion, shoes, hair and sex. So very shallow show what I remember.

I was very young when it started (10) and I remember sneakily watching episodes at sleepovers as a young teen. I have seen the whole thing a million times as an adult, though.

It deals with so, so much more than fashion, shoes, hair and sex (not that there’s anything wrong with these things).

Throughout its run it deals with STDs, divorce, infertility, unexpected pregnancy, abortion, adoption, women having extra marital affairs, the impact of husbands cheating, financial troubles, discrimination against women in the workplace, the stigmatisation of women who don’t want to marry and/or have children, the indecision when women are undecided but time is working against them, the pain of wanting to meet a man and get married and it not happening, caring responsibilities for elderly relatives, sacrifices for children, and, most notably, the series made it crystal clear that women can, and do, enjoy sex.

Yes, the characters wore nice clothes whilst these subjects were tackled, but shallow the show was not.

My god I have so many thoughts about this show. I was 15 when the show started and I grew up watching it. It was really ahead of its time and for my generation and older, it has real meaning I think. Maybe less so for those who didn’t grow up in that early/mid 2000s era but for me it has a lot of nostalgic meaning.

I absolutely hated AJLT. So much wrong. The public wanking stuff definitely. Sorry, what’s even funny about joking about wanking in public? It’s a sexual offence to do so. We don’t do jokes about other sex crimes do we? And the ‘cishet vanilla’ shit was so stupid. I’d say it’s a darn sight sadder to be in your mid 40s, thinking you’re special because you have tramlines in your hair/refer to yourself using the plural and smoking pot with a 17 year old child you just met at a funeral (ie Che’s character).

The teenage son stuff was gross. It’s fucking vile to leave used condoms on your floor for your mum to step on and it’s not ‘sex-shaming’ for her to point out that you’re out of order. As for having super loud sex that can be heard in your parents’ room, that’s grim and if I were Miranda, I’d tell the pair of them to get lost and stop being so fucking disrespectful.

The law Prof stuff was ridiculous. Miranda is a corporate attorney with 30 years experience. She’s lived in NY most of her life. It’s not the first time she’s seen a black person. No way would she say that shit about the braids. She comes across as a weird creepy stalker as well towards the Prof whereas I doubt someone of her standing would be intimidated in the slightest by a legal academic in their 30s. She’s basically a Karen.

Miranda is also portrayed as being a drunk and no doubt that will be part of the next storylines. Again, fitting with the disdain these people clearly have for middle aged women.

The pronouns thing in class was dumb and even more so because the person who told Miranda not to sit in the seat was female, not male (evident from voice and appearance) yet Miranda (despite being a massive Karen says ‘he’, what, because the person has short hair?).

I will continue to hate-watch but it’s such an eye opener of how much older women are hated and ridiculed (unless they call themselves they/them and get an undercut, in which case they are still young and hip).

Cynthia Nixon (Miranda) is mega woke and I’m sure she was A-OK with this storyline. She has a daughter who identifies as a man who she calls her ‘son’. Kristin Davies has she/her pronouns on her social media and I’m sure SJP is on the woo woo train too. So it surprises me not one jot that they were on board with all this.

My one comfort is my strong belief that Samantha would have been a TERF 😆

If you look through the episode list on Wikipedia it's very noticeable that the first series is mostly written by men (8 by men, 3 by women, 1 by a mix) and each series increases the female:male ratio, so by the end it's a female dominated writing team. Storylines like Samantha's cancer, Miranda's mother-in-law, Carrie's terrible treatment by Mikhail Barishnikov and Charlotte's infertility are very female-driven storylines which you could never have got to in the first two series.

No issue with weed personally and I've smoked a tonne of it but if I caught my child smoking it at a funeral of my friend I'd hit the roof.

I agree @CruellaDeVilla. That sex scene was ridiculous. And smoking weed at a funeral. Then Miranda speaking amicably with the non binary person who gave it to her son..... erm.....OK. The whole show was telling middle age women to lower all of their boundaries.

Oh, also, teenagers have sex with regular partners = ok
teenagers making loads of noise about it so their parents hear + teenagers leaving used condoms on the bedroom floor = Not Ok

Adults smoking weed, yeah it happens
Adults smoking weed in a lift, WTF?

It’s 100% not ok to masturbate in public, wtf indeed? Fuck normalising that frankly.

Very likely indeed if that’s the price they have to pay for being allowed to do this at all,
I guess it depends how how desperate they were to do it. I doubt any of them were on their uppers, Cynthia Nixon was carving out a new career for herself and I'd have thought the drubbing the films received would have made them wary.

I don't want to overstate the case for SATC - it was never literary drama and never tried to be but, at its peak, I think there was a lot more to it than sex and shoes. But I'd never have predicted that from the first few episodes I saw - I think it took a couple of series before it hit its stride.

‘ How likely is it that all 3 would agree to their characters being turned into objects of ridicule? ’

Very likely indeed if that’s the price they have to pay for being allowed to do this at all, I would think.
Reserving judgement is sensible though. People should do that more often!

I've just checked and Sarah Jessica Parker, Cynthia Nixon and Kristin Davis are all listed as executive producers. How likely is it that all 3 would agree to their characters being turned into objects of ridicule?
Anything's possible I guess but I'm reserving judgement for now.