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"All Trans and Non-Binary Kids Need and Deserve Access to Puberty Blockers""

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Whitefire · 10/12/2021 19:07

This article has just popped up on my Google Chrome homepage (along with ones about Rishi, Chip shops and covid so a mixed bag)

www.wellandgood.com/puberty-blockers/amp/

So PB are totally reversible, they are completely and utterly safe and there is no real data about Lupron and bone density so as long as one takes calcium supplements all is good.

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ImFluidLikeWater · 12/12/2021 15:38

The jumping started quicker than I expected wow-
@Thelnebriati Probably less mental health issues than I do now tbh. If I could take back puberty I would without a doubt bc it's that that causes my dysphoria in the first place. I still wanna go on hormone blockers to stop my period. Blockers are temporary, puberty is not.
@OldCrone thanks for the article, I can only read the first two paragraphs of it, but thanks anyway

OldCrone · 12/12/2021 15:20

I wish I'd gone on hormone blockers before I finished puberty, my childhood could've been so much more enjoyable then.

Like it was for this child?
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/transgender-children-puberty-blocking-drugs-for-the-past-four-years-i-ve-been-stuck-as-a-child-5s6tkh7z2

Thelnebriati · 12/12/2021 15:08

You assume you would have been happy, but the reality is its impossible to say how you would feel if you had taken a different course in your life.
If you'd had blockers you'd have the health issues associated with them, plus the dysphoria (which apparently persists because of the blockers.) Then you'd have to go through puberty anyway, later than everyone else your age.

ImFluidLikeWater · 12/12/2021 15:03

Oh no I'm gonna get jumped on, but... Where's the lie y'all keep talking about? Which part is the lie?
I wish I'd gone on hormone blockers before I finished puberty, my childhood could've been so much more enjoyable then.

Ghostsintheshelf · 12/12/2021 14:33

www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/rdj2wi/being_open_about_mental_health_when_referring/

Just awful. People with mental health issues being encouraged to lie about it so they can get drugs and surgery. Ffs.

ASushiBitMyFinger · 12/12/2021 08:19

@allmywhat

Unless the idea is to hold them in a prepubertal (but still sexed, even if immature) state

Guess what?

jme.bmj.com/content/46/11/743

I opened this thread to post this link. I am creeped out by the specific inclusion of “non-binary” in the quote.

That interesting paper, queering medical ethics on the topic of “ongoing puberty suppression” for nonbinaries, even raises, albeit declines to answer, the question of what kind of person would be interested in a sexual relationship with a permanently puberty-suppressed partner.

And on the Christmas forum, we have a happy clappy "what shall I give a non-binary 15 old as a Christmas present" normalising the whole ridiculous notion of 'non-binaryness' and implying that non non-binary girls aka female people are all about fashion makeup, and cuuuute things Envy < not envy
PurgatoryOfPotholes · 12/12/2021 07:47

Had a quick scan and no-one has come along to explain how and why they approve of men paying to have a pseudo-vagina crafted for them in addition to their penis.

Did I miss it? Has anyone come along to educate me on this matter and why I should not judge the surgeons that offer it?

SammyScrounge · 11/12/2021 22:37

The west has lost its moral compass. What kind of country lets this be done to its youngsters?

highame · 11/12/2021 16:46

It makes me feel very queasy and I can't help thinking, when I see the state the US is in, of the decline and fall. Not because of war but because society loses it's grip on what is and what is not really important.

The chattering classes have lost all sense. I despair Sad

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/12/2021 15:35

Could asexuality be used as an excuse to cover up that people may loose their sexual function?

It was put forward by the Tavistock lawyers as such in the first Keira Bell hearing.

ScrollingLeaves · 11/12/2021 14:48

Nullification must be very close to FGM, as I think another poster has said. It would be more expensive, and less painful because of anaesthetics but otherwise very similar in several respects I should imagine - except for adding mastectomy.

Anyone in a Western country wanting FGM for their daughters need not worry if it is illegal. All they need is a doctor to call it Nullification gender therapy.

ScrollingLeaves · 11/12/2021 14:42

“YellowTwo
Could asexuality be used as an excuse to cover up that people may loose their sexual function?“

It could well be.

It is also being used by adults, such as GG leaders, to try to rope children who are not yet sexual -so of course they aren’t asexual- into feeling conscious of their non sexuality and to make them feel they ought to have one.

MrsMadderRose · 11/12/2021 14:08

Yes I’ve noticed asexuality becoming a big thing to go on about and promote, and thought it was really odd. Loads of the types who list all their labels on Twitter etc include “ace”, even when they are also claiming to be pan, bi, lesbian or whatever.

yellowtwo · 11/12/2021 13:57

Something else to consider, there has been a lot of promotion of asexuality by groups and organisations, could one of the reasons be because puberty blockers along with cross sex hormones can cause loss of sexual function? Could asexuality be used as an excuse to cover up that people may loose their sexual function?

MrsMadderRose · 11/12/2021 11:26

There’s also a very weird and determined attempt to ignore the fact that puberty is important. Puberty is not just about reproductive ability or sexuality, it’s about brain maturity, strength, becoming an adult who can be responsible and do the things that society needs - work, look after others, make decisions. Seeing it as optional is disastrous on every level from personal to family to societal. Doctors and adults are telling kids that they can just decide not to grow up because it can be hard work or unsettling to go through bodily and emotional changes.

My DC are going through it at the moment. I often tell them, yes, this is hard and stressful, it can be tough but you’ll get through it. Spots, periods, weird things happening to your body that you’re not used to. We look for solutions. They get through things and accept things and feel more grown up and capable as a result. That’s part of the process.

TurquoiseBaubles · 11/12/2021 10:39

Is there any other aspect of medical treatment where the only way of diagnosing is self-diagnosis, and the methods of treatment are "whatever the patient wants".

I can't imagine going to my GP, telling her what is wrong with me and demanding she prescribe whatever I (or Google) think I need/want.

allmywhat · 11/12/2021 10:14

Would these surgeons be allowed to amputate healthy limbs on request without legal and/or professional sanctions? There’s a market for that too.

Not a rhetorical question btw I’m genuinely curious about the answer!

AsTreesWalking · 11/12/2021 10:11

Those dreadful, terrifying websites are a perfect illustration of why medicine should never be 'private'. When the patient pays directly there is no limit to the doctor's power, except the depth of the patient's purse.

ScrollingLeaves · 11/12/2021 10:08

Nullification seems to be a way to remain a sort of child. It is indeed difficult to leave childhood behind for boys and girls but especially so for girls because of how they may be preyed upon as their body changes.
These treatments are dangerous because it could be so easy to think yourself into feeling

an answer to difficulties can be found this way.

Is this approach to life - escaping, falsely changing - becoming a zeitgeist? If so, I wonder why?

Truthlikeness · 11/12/2021 09:59

Unfortunately you don't become an ethical person simply by obtaining a medical degree, particularly in countries without socialised medicine.

Skysblue · 11/12/2021 09:54

If only doctors would stick to the “do no harm” principle.

The medical profession bears a lot of responsibility in this mess.

Thelnebriati · 11/12/2021 09:47

In the US FGM is only banned on girls under 18, in most states. Its not clear how well the ban is enforced.

''With the passage of the federal law ban, the Female Genital Mutilation Act, in 1996, performing FGM on anyone under age 18 became a felony in the United States.
However, in 2018, the act was stuck down as unconstitutional by US federal district judge Bernard A. Friedman in Michigan, who argued that the federal government did not have authority to enact legislation outside the "Interstate commerce" clause.
As part of the ruling, Friedman also ordered that charges be dropped against 8 people who had mutilated the genitals of 9 girls.The Department of Justice decided not to appeal the ruling; however, the US House of Representatives appealed it.
In 2021, the STOP FGM Act of 2020 was signed into law, and it gives federal authorities the power to prosecute those who carry out or conspire to carry out FGM, as well as increasing the maximum prison sentence from five to ten years. It also requires government agencies to report to Congress about the estimated number of females who are at risk of or have had FGM, and on efforts to prevent FGM.

As of September 2021, 40 U.S. states have made specific laws that prohibit FGM, while the remaining 10 states have no specific laws against FGM.''
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation_in_the_United_States

DoubleTweenQueen · 11/12/2021 09:45

Why is he not in jail? Dear Heavens, where the hell are we?

Truthlikeness · 11/12/2021 09:37

"In fact, as Dr. DeChants says, the bigger risk with regards to puberty blockers actually comes with denying access to the medications. “There are non-reversible effects of going through the puberty of your sex assigned at birth,” he says."

Like becoming comfortable with your adult, sexed body and realising you're not transgender at all like 80% of trans children do? That would be an awful side effect...

One would have thought the very act of requesting the removal of one's gentials was enough reason to be declared incompetent to make that decision. These people are being preyed upon.

DoubleTweenQueen · 11/12/2021 09:33

Utterly batshit.

And I choose my words carefully.

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