Out, proud and now quite a bit nervous

Manderley and Monsignor - agreed that none of it makes any sense unless you include class which signifies economic inequality, educationally privileged etc. And agree also with Arabella - what are you supposed to do when you have recognised your "privilege"? Will it mean that say, disabled people will get better facilities in your workplace? Or that more women will be promoted? Hopefully, in any case, you will not be behaving like a dick to other people without being reminded of it. Sounds like a load of waffle.

Who else experiences menopause then? confused
Non binary people, obviously

the most important thing to remember is that not only women experience menopause

Who else experiences menopause then? Transmen clearly don't given the cocktail of drugs they take suppresses oestrogen.

Here's an article on the wheel.

“If you’re comfortable, you’re not doing enough,” Stout said to encourage social change, “The seed has to break open in order for the sprout to come forth.”

The overall message of Stout’s presentation was that it is important for everyone to stay “woke,” which is defined as “knowledgeable about your community and the world, with the willingness to access and critique systems of oppression.”

So. I should examine myself for any sensations of comfort and then go find evidence for reasons I should be uncomfortable?

It's important that I am knowledgeable about my community and the world ... right. And willing to access and critique systems of oppression. What does 'accessing' a system of oppression mean? And critiquing? Rather than actually doing anything to improve things, does he mean?

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• then what?

What is supposed to be the outcome of 'being aware of one's privilege'?

What are the actual practical effects it is supposed to have?

Are we to feel sorry for people with less privilege? Donate to charity? Do penance?

I mean, fine, yes, privilege is complex and nuanced and some people have it easier in various ways than others yet may struggle in other ways.

Fucking groundbreaking! This is amazing! Who knew?!

Yes, I think class should be on there too, it'd definitely be relevant here in the UK.
Bit of a big omission, but if class isn't like it is here in other countries, will maybe explain why it has been left off.
Would be good to have the wheel with class on there too.
I still think it's a good idea to have though to make people think about the privileges they do have (like white and straight for example) - nothing wrong with being aware of it, can make you more empathetic towards other people's struggles and that's a good thing, surely?
Doesn't mean that you're desperate to be oppressed

I wonder how some people think… “I realise that I haven’t got a clue about this and that I am backed into a corner so I am just going to be incredibly rude and unpleasant. Maybe they will get too distracted to notice that I don’t have an answer?” So weird .

I am torn between wondering

A) if the exclusion of class is pure stupidity in transposing this wheel to a completely different culture without any due diligence if it works? or

B) done completely on purpose by middle class hypocrites who are keen to appear oppressed?

Any thoughts anyone?

What part of I wasnt responding to your post but doubles do you not understand?

Is that level of rudeness really necessary when responding to others on a public platform?

You decided to answer a completely different point to the one being made. But I don't know why I'm surprised.

So again, given that you are such a fan of this "privilege wheel" do you agree with it that gay men have more privilege than bisexual men?

What part of I wasnt responding to your post but doubles do you not understand?

Double was responding to me, you completely swerved the whole point of what was being discussed. With the benefit of the doubt, I'll assume you didn't follow the discussion.

It wasn't about "gay v heterosexual" privilege it was quite clearly about "gay v bisexual".

Read things more carefully.

I know it wasn't the question you asked, if you read my comment again properly I was responding to double, not you.

Bloody well done, OP. You have guts!

@SirSamuelVimes that’s such a good point. It’s exactly why imported education on “privilege” don’t translate particularly well here (I’m not sure how they go over in the USA and Canada. I’ve never lived there) but the UK is deeply classist before it is anything else.

I suppose it might make you think about privilege if you had literally never thought about it at all and you weren't worried about accuracy, cultural and contextual relevance, and facts...

It's an unsubtle representation. Privilege is more complicated than this. It's also culturally inaccurate for the UK.
Fair enough to use this perhaps as a place to start a discussion about structural inequalities and what privilege might look like. If it was presented more like the colour wheel for autism, which reflects the individual more - and that not all situations afford the same degree of privilege, that would make more sense.
I think the development of the idea of axis of oppression have had unhelpful repercussions.

I think it means not necessarily in a job seeking or dating pool way doubletweenqueen, more of an everyday homophobia type way just by simply '' being '' you.
In a way that being heterosexual wouldn't bring

That wasn't the question, NotMe. The question I asked you, and DoubleTween was responding to was "Do you think a gay man is more privileged than a bisexual man, and if so how?"

Because that's what this wheel that you find so inspiring says.

Do you think gay men are privileged over the same men who also sleep with women. Or a man who mostly sleeps with women but slept with a man once, or a man who only sleeps with women but finds men attractive?

“the most important thing to remember is that not only women experience menopause”

Fuck me, I just walked to my own office specifically to throw my own headset across the room!

When will this madness stop? Do these people actually hear themselves?

Thank you for doing this OP.

It might be an interesting exercise if it were a) produced for the UK and therefore included class, which is an enormous factor in our society in a eat that it isn't in Canada, and b) included biological sex.

White, working class boys have the worst educational outcomes of all groups. Massively, staggeringly so, every single year. By nature of their class they are overwhelmingly likely to also be cis-gender (very little patience with gender ideology in the working class school used to teach in) and if they are gay, they are most likely closeted at school age. So they are white, male, cis, heterosexuals - they should be rolling in privilege! And yet they are at the absolute bottom of the heap.

That's why it's rubbish. It requires us to ignore the actual world we live in.

@Boood Yes, but for a lot of gay and bi men, you wouldn't necessarily know that they were gay or bi, or even not heterosexual a lot if the time.
I have a few gay men friends who I didn't know were gay when I met them.
So I don't know how it could be a privilege if not an apparent characteristic? - particularly the difference between gay and bi.
Privilege or disadvantage by sex, skin colour, age, disability, name significant flying culture, outward signs of religion, money - I can compute that.
I can also understand where sexuality could be a priviledge, where difference can be discerned.

Although I'm interpreting privilege as advantage afforded through situations and conditions through life.