Choreographer Rosie Kay forced to resign from her own company

Non-binary? Got Rosie Kay Company on your CV?

Good Luck.

Yep.

And if anyone has any up to date Tweets from the young warriors I'd love to see how they are spinning this!

I doubt that they will see it any other way than a victory and I doubt they can spell Pyrrhic, should they have even heard of it!

So they are all out of a job then?

Guess these references and their contexts just aren't recognised these days?

No I don't think they are and even when there's an inkling, voilà 🎉 history is re-written to fit your narrative.

Using primary sources to interpret historical context seems be be a vanishing skill.

Interesting to read your take Bread as yes I've definitely noticed the trend for NB people to consider themselves trans.

The sheer amount of people, even on this board tbh, who didn't recognise JKR's tweet as text from 1984 somewhat goes to show how 'queer' may well have gained ground as an acceptable term. Guess these references and their contexts just aren't recognised these days?

Perhaps your assumption is incorrect and they are not doing this?

In this case both NB dancers applied for roles aligned with their sex. Interesting no?

There was clearly an understanding of the physical reality/demands of the roles they felt they would be good candidates for.

So why this disparity between actions and words?

Personally given my experience of the NB tribe it's a power trip.

A very simple way, with no sacrifice required to centre yourself and make demands of everyone around you.

Your seniority within a company doesn't matter. Your experience doesn't matter.

Nothing matters other than how people treat you and your ability to control their behaviour, with willing (and unwilling frightened) cheerleaders waving their Pom poms.

Narcissistic manipulation in plain sight.

NB aren't Trans.

They reject the very concept of gender whilst enjoying the "benefits" of gender ideology .

People who think that way aren't logical.

They are simply attempting to gaslight everyone around them into thinking they deserve "special status", much akin to heterosexuals claiming "queer" status (obvious to the slur that word used to be to the gay/lesbian community and where many still dislike its usage).

Oh well. The trustees have kept their reputations, none of them can be accused of transphobia. They can hop along on the charity job circuit to the next trusteeship.

I know it's not a surprise, but it's official now.

The Rosie Kay Dance Company has folded.
rosiekay.co.uk/
The web site has been replaced by the message below. The twitter account has gone private but has said nothing about it as yet.

"Rosie Kay Dance Company

On Tuesday 7 December, Rosie Kay resigned with immediate effect from her role as Artistic Director of Rosie Kay Dance Company Limited (RKDC).

In the week since Rosie resigned, the board has worked alongside the remaining employees of the charity to:

inform Arts Council England and other funders,
review the financial position of the charity, and
agree the future of the charity.
We have concluded that it is necessary to close RKDC.

It is important to the board that we manage the closure in an orderly manner, ensuring that employees are properly consulted and supported, creditors are paid, restricted funds are applied correctly, and the assets of the charity are disposed of appropriately. That process is underway.

The board would like to extend their thanks and appreciation to all those who have given the charity financial support, encouragement and appreciation.

Any enquiries should be directed to: [email protected]

Board of Trustees, 14 December 2021"

I'm confused. Where are those screenshots from? Who wrote them?

Julie Bindel article in The Critic on Rosie Kay

A rallying call to feminists:

"By its very definition, feminism is a movement that takes on the bullies, in this case the violent and abusive men who put women down, silence us, control and demean us. We step in when authorities and institutions fail to protect us or condemn the men who cause us harm. Kow-towing to extreme trans activists, because you are scared to speak the truth and be condemned, is akin to being in an unwanted relationship with an abusive man. ...

...The feminist fix for bullies? Stand up to them and surround yourself with an army of women who support you. There are enough of us now. Your silence will not protect you, but your resistance will."

thecritic.co.uk/misogynists-and-their-handmaidens/

I will however challenge the ideology that attempts to extrapolate that personal emotional reaction into wider assertions about the existence and validity of gender identity as an innate human characteristic, or to deny the reality of sexed bodies, or to delegitimise the needs and voices of people who suffer the consequences of being female sex in a sexist society.

There's also the basic reality that has meant a number of films have never been made because of a raft of dramatic problematising like this: the whole point is the end product that places bums on seats and makes sufficient money. Very hard in the performance industry in all forms, particularly as it tries to recover from Covid. It's about getting a performance finished, shown and of sufficient quality to do the job. Not about the properly therapeutic and nurturing experience of the performers.

There is balance, but it's been totally lost here. Like the humungous fuss about 'this person can't play that role' and 'cancel x if they dare go on with this role' and the whole film is quietly ditched because without a big name actor it has no hope. Reality matters. This is a job. This is an industry. This is a workplace and not a youth project with care workers.

What I'm struggling with is dance is all about physicality, I can see how it could help a dysphoric person connect with their body, and I've seem Drag Race so I've seen how men can perform wonderful illusions of femininity, but how can you perform when you are in such denial of your body?

Ah Motorina, I read the situation the opposite way, that it is a biological female dancer that identifies as a man and is either naturally flat chested or has had a mastectomy and though they can just about handle dancing female parts if that’s what they have to do to earn a living, false breasts are a step too far.
This is just supposition though!

In the time of COVID, surely the entertainment industry has suffered enough?

Thanks, Motorina. Now I get it.

So the costume department have basically tried to make this dancer look biologically female to suit the role, somethign the dancer was unhappy with.

The broader issue is that the traditional ballet repertoire is basically nothing but traditional gender stereotypes. The strong brave prince rescues the tiny, beautiful princess. They marry and live happily ever after. It's stereotype on stereotype. As an independent woman who is quite happy to rescue herself, thank you very much, and sees a Prince as an extra headache to look after, I don't see it as representative of real life at all. Nor have I ever heard a gay dancer object to playing a heterosexual role. So I'm not quite sure why a transwoman should be distressed by playing a male role, if that's what their physique matches best. Or, if playing a female role, why they woudl not accept that there might be costume choices to match.

Life used to be simpler!

Will world domination be enough one wonders?

India Willoughby mentioned on a tv interview months ago how they were personally noticing increasing wariness of employers due to them experiencing behaviour like this, and how frustrating India found it, as it did trans people no favours at all in terms of equality or employment.

Remembering my first job: it took about six weeks before the majority of the staff (the ones who knew I existed) remembered my name. Should I have taken the company to an employment tribunal or something?

Of all the people I’ve worked with over the years there’s only been a handful who have spelled my name right (and it’s not an unusual name, just not a traditional spelling but easy enough to remember.)

Alfonso sounds like it was a costume prop to play a part. My Dds have worn stick-on beards to play men and not been offended.

Female Dancers have bound their breasts for years. Dd was once asked to by a teacher. Thankfully that practice is becoming obsolete.

Since reading those screenshots I've got The Pretenders, Brass In My Pocket on repeat in my head....

I got brass in pocket
I got bottle, I'm gonna use it
Intention, I feel inventive
Gonna make you, make you, make you notice

Got motion, restrained emotion
Been driving, Detroit leaning
No reason, just seems so pleasing
Gonna make you, make you, make you notice

Gonna use my arms
Gonna use my legs
Gonna use my style
Gonna use my sidestep
Gonna use my fingers
Gonna use my, my, my, imagination

'Cause I going make you see
There's nobody else here, no one like me
I'm special
(Special)
So special
(Special)
I got have some of your attention, give it to me

I got rhythm, I can't miss a beat
I got a new Skank, so reet
Got something, I'm winking at you
Gonna make you, make you, make you notice

Gonna use my arms
Gonna use my legs
Gonna use my style
Gonna use my sidestep
Gonna use my fingers
Gonna use my, my, my, imagination

Oh, 'cause I gonna make you see
There's nobody else here, no one like me
I'm special
(Special)
So special
(Special)
I got to have some of your attention, give it to me

'Cause I gonna make you see
There's nobody else here, no one like me
I'm special
(Special)
So special
(Special)
I got have some of your attention, give it to me