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Choreographer Rosie Kay forced to resign from her own company

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peonyred · 09/12/2021 08:10

This is a share token so you can read the story. Another Janice Turner article. Simone suggested Crowdfunding for her new company.

Rosie Kay: I resigned from my own dance company after I was accused of transphobia

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3935bc4a-5858-11ec-a3f7-65d2d47c7fea?shareToken=d4efe0ddb11ede84d52835a0a02d70e3

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/05/2022 19:15

Thanks olzdee. It's always good to remind us how many good women have been taken down by intolerant individuals with a limited understanding of the rights of women and the importance of free speech.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 08/05/2022 18:53

She simply defended the rights of trans people. She always has stuck up for people. If you knew her you would not call her anything but an outstanding and kind person.

It seems that Rosie Kay gave your daughter and other young people mentorship and a valuable opportunity to perform in a well-regarded piece of art, yet you think it's wholly appropriate to strip her of a source of income and her art on the say so of your daughter and her peers?

It's verifiable that JK Rowling is a remarkable philanthropist who has done a vast amount of good and has admirable compassion for others. Tell me, would you and your daughter acknowledge JKR as an outstanding and kind person? If not, why not?

Rainbowshit · 08/05/2022 18:50

olzdee · 08/05/2022 18:22

You are insulting my daughter. A girl who has devoted nearly every minute of her life to her craft. When other kids were out playing she practiced and studied dance. A girl who at 14 won a scholarship to any top tier Dance school. If you had bothered to actually see the production you would have seen how she brought classically trained excellence to the show. She simply defended the rights of trans people. She always has stuck up for people. If you knew her you would not call her anything but an outstanding and kind person.

What your daughter did was not kind.

WandaWomblesaurus · 08/05/2022 18:47

*current flow of cases that women are bringing against firms for losing their jobs because of their understanding of material reality in UK courts etc.

It must be awful for Rosie to have to live with the aftermath of what these dancers did to her.
I hope she is ok.

WandaWomblesaurus · 08/05/2022 18:44

It would be hard employing any of those dancers again unless the person doing the employing is constantly policing their thoughts and language so as to avoid being bullied out of their job.

The Maya Forstater case and the current flow of cases might even mean that Rosie has a case for taking the dancers themselves to court eventually.

What a mess.

WandaWomblesaurus · 08/05/2022 18:42

Just reposting the Times article about it here "I resigned from my own dance company after I was accused of transphobia"

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3935bc4a-5858-11ec-a3f7-65d2d47c7fea?shareToken=d576160da31a2e68da7515d1d6a6b10d

Wow it's an astonishing read.

Helleofabore · 08/05/2022 18:41

I am all agog to hear why such a ‘hard working dancer’ would get a woman sacked from her own business built on her own ‘hard work’ for misgendering.

And why your child (and are you misgendering them here???) would think that was a proportionate act.

Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky · 08/05/2022 18:37

Kind people don’t get other people sacked for sticking to biological reality

If you really are one of the dancers parents, I find it odd that you went hunting for a thread from December last year

this isn’t going to end well is it…..

WandaWomblesaurus · 08/05/2022 18:36

WandaWomblesaurus · 08/05/2022 18:34

But she complained about a woman who stated material reality - and managed along with others to have that woman's company shut down. She effectively ended another woman's career.

Or am I misunderstanding something here?

Igneococcus · 08/05/2022 18:36

I didn't know hard workers can't be criticised.

WandaWomblesaurus · 08/05/2022 18:34

But she complained about a woman who stated material reality - and managed along with others to have that woman's company shut down. She effectively ended another woman's career.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 08/05/2022 18:33

There was clearly quite a lot more to the story than "simply defending the rights of trans people." Maybe you should read the articles that are discussed on the thread, and discuss them with your daughter? Seems like you both could learn something.

If she was not one of the instigators of this incident but was just swept along with it, then maaaaybe she's a kind person as you say, but she needs to get a backbone too.

olzdee · 08/05/2022 18:32

My daughter is neither entitled or pampered. She worked and practiced from an early age going from a little Sunday ballet class to world class performances through hard work and sacrifice. She always got on well with any of her Instructors. She is shy and would not have made an issue out of nothing. She is the opposite to the type of person you describe. A hard working down to earth dancer.

WandaWomblesaurus · 08/05/2022 18:31

Who did she stick up for exactly? Not vulnerable women and children.

Helleofabore · 08/05/2022 18:31

Which dancer is your ‘daughter’? The one who insisted they were misgendered? And because of that a woman lost her business which she created?

AlisonDonut · 08/05/2022 18:30

olzdee · 08/05/2022 18:22

You are insulting my daughter. A girl who has devoted nearly every minute of her life to her craft. When other kids were out playing she practiced and studied dance. A girl who at 14 won a scholarship to any top tier Dance school. If you had bothered to actually see the production you would have seen how she brought classically trained excellence to the show. She simply defended the rights of trans people. She always has stuck up for people. If you knew her you would not call her anything but an outstanding and kind person.

Huh?

She outstandingly and kindly got Rosie Kay sacked? From her own company?

WandaWomblesaurus · 08/05/2022 18:27

olzdee · 08/05/2022 18:22

You are insulting my daughter. A girl who has devoted nearly every minute of her life to her craft. When other kids were out playing she practiced and studied dance. A girl who at 14 won a scholarship to any top tier Dance school. If you had bothered to actually see the production you would have seen how she brought classically trained excellence to the show. She simply defended the rights of trans people. She always has stuck up for people. If you knew her you would not call her anything but an outstanding and kind person.

Just trying to understand why this thread has been resurrected. Is your daughter one of the people who complained about Rosie?

Porkchis · 08/05/2022 18:27

If she is a TRA then she is neither 'outstanding' or 'kind'

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olzdee · 08/05/2022 18:22

You are insulting my daughter. A girl who has devoted nearly every minute of her life to her craft. When other kids were out playing she practiced and studied dance. A girl who at 14 won a scholarship to any top tier Dance school. If you had bothered to actually see the production you would have seen how she brought classically trained excellence to the show. She simply defended the rights of trans people. She always has stuck up for people. If you knew her you would not call her anything but an outstanding and kind person.

KaycePollard · 18/12/2021 11:00

What a powerful piece.

DrBlackbird · 17/12/2021 11:35

It was beautifully written and apart from some dismissive comments largely men the BTL views seem supportive, which is encouraging. Thought the Lib Dem shot apropos.

HoardingSamphireSaurus · 17/12/2021 10:57

Ach! I wish someone had proof read that for her. The SPAG comments have already started.

And the male "oooh, is that true/oh how sensitive she must be" comments.

It's a strong statement. It deserves to be read and understood without the self serving "Ah yes but [technical point] so my existence proves you wrong on that infinitesimal point!"

Tiresome!

Not her piece, the predicatble reactions to it!

LK1972 · 17/12/2021 10:46

First time posting a link, hope people can see it - a very beautiful and passionate essay by Rosie in today's Unherd

FrancescaContini · 17/12/2021 09:46

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

I don't think stupidity is confined to the middle classes, though.
Stupidity is found everywhere, annoyingly, but this particular area of deliberate, stubborn adherence to a viewpoint that ultimately makes no sense seems confined to a group of very pampered young individuals (publishing/ballet).
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