Choreographer Rosie Kay forced to resign from her own company

The bloody WPATH have now said eunuchs are a gender, despite the fact that it's clearly a form of sexual assault in history and even now.

There was a ring of male eunuchs in India prosecuted for kidnapping and forcing sterilisation on young boys.

Contained in this is some disturbing content around historical cults that physically removed all primary and secondary sexual characteristics; essentially non binaryism

genevievegluck.substack.com/p/castrating-children-in-the-service

Silly things. In what industry does bullying look good?

Oh dear. The dancers are discovering that being marked as self obsessed bullying troublemakers isn't great for their careers. Welcome to the real world.

[Kay] added the only talk about "eunuchs" was a reference to Germaine Greer's feminist text The Female Eunuch.

It’s all rather horrible but I laughed at this. They hadn’t read Orlando, and they thought that by referring to to one of the most famous feminist books ever written, she was calling trans people “eunuchs.”

And they signed, presumably with their names, an “open letter” in which they complained she was damaging her careers - but she hadn’t named them. (This part is confusing. An “open letter seen by the BBC”? The letter itself didn’t show up when I searched for it.)

The dancers are complaining that she went public as it could be detrimental to their careers. So let us tell you what to think and what you’re not allowed to say, hound you out of your own company but don’t say anything because it’ll make us look bad!!

Maybe they should do a piece on this like Rashomon.
Rosie’s view
The non binary’s view and and another dancers view and see how they all differ.
It must be great to invite everyone over as your employer and then deliver views to your employees that you know will have implications upon your employees and how it will affect them.
And then not liking the outcome and abuse of your own power as employer of your own company when the employees feel that you have abused your position and your employees.

Imagine that and who do you turn to when your boss is being out of order.

Bbc report that there's been a letter signed by a number of the dancers in response to Rosie's times article :

Rosie Kay: Dancers write open letter to choreographer after gender row www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-59584638

I find "boy steps" and "girl steps" a bit cringe as a turn of phrase. But it's obviously referencing the male and female repetoirs of dance moves.

Yeah, in a professional company class in a ballet company the terms would tend to be "ladies" and "gentlemen" in referring to the dancers. Contemporary trained dancers might be more likely all to do the same thing, but it's undeniable but most male dancers are going to look different from most female dancers, even when they're doing the same steps or choreography.

I thought Ms Kay's comment about the dancers being mostly quite inexperienced was interesting - for some of them, this contract was their first professional job. Entitled & a bit snowflakey maybe.

Boy jumps and girl jumps. Technical terms for particular movements. Complaining about someone using them during instruction is as silly as it would be to complain because an art teacher referred to black and white.

One of the articles I read said that Rosie initially went to the chair of the company (or trustees?) and asked her to speak to the dancers because there was so much hostility since the party. I expect she hoped she'd do some informal mediation type thing so they could work together (my guess). The chair took it on herself to treat it as a formal hr issue, and got the dancers all to make statements. So they were pretty much invited to complain rather than instigating it. I expect that's why some of the allegations are trivial (eg the bedroom) because they were asked to state what happened at the party, and so included everything. I expect the dancer found being let into the child's room uncomfortable because it felt like an invasion of privacy. It's certainly not something anyone should start making formal complaints about, but it's a reaction someone could have.

I find "boy steps" and "girl steps" a bit cringe as a turn of phrase. But it's obviously referencing the male and female repetoirs of dance moves. It's such a low bar for complaining formally. If they had auditioned for female and male roles, did they really think the language around that would be changed for them? Were they expecting the characters they were portraying to change to nb too?

But we don't have the dancers' side if the story, and don't know what they were trying to achieve.

I am still trying to work out just what the hell was so wrong with that. Was the room decorated (by the child?) in a clearly binary way? (How?) Was it just incredibly untidy, such that her showing it to them was an implied slur on their deservingness? What? Enquiring minds need to know.
Madness, I know. To me it sounds like, just as in witch hunts of yore, they just cast around for anything to add to their list of complaints and objections. Any mud that might stick.

Apparently she showed her child's bedroom to these easily-affronted Young Things, which was clearly unforgivable and deliberately intended by her to upset them.

I am still trying to work out just what the hell was so wrong with that. Was the room decorated (by the child?) in a clearly binary way? (How?) Was it just incredibly untidy, such that her showing it to them was an implied slur on their deservingness? What? Enquiring minds need to know.

I am very happy for everyone who lives outside gender ie sex role stereotypes that are imposed on us, because they are oppressive by definition. But none of us can escape the sex we are born with. So I feel very worried for Rosie. What’s she said apart from that? She’s stood up for women’s rights (no crime). What did she do wrong except for use reality-based language? Still unclear apart from causing some subjective offended feelings in the eyes of the offended, what she did to merit any kind of investigation or punishment?

Obviously some of the company subscribe to magical thinking, whether it’s the possibility of humans being able to magically move between the two states of binary biological sex reality (female or male), or humans magically changing to a third, entirely subjective new individual state of being. (Outside the sex binary)..Or maybe they just wish to be seen as believers? OK fine.

But other people can’t then be punished for not believing that a person has reached an only ever imaginary, literally unachievable new state of being. It’s the only rational response that anyone could make to such a claim. How much scarier if people do really believe that magical thinking, or an irrational belief, has somehow become the truth.

As a global population we’re seeing real social or medical harm caused by exploitative disinformation and misinformation and lies around things like Covid vaccines, or previously in the UK, Brexit. I think most people accept that a lot of people are still being manipulated online by political camps. This new form of gender identity politics seems just as manipulative and consciously divisive by trying to turn everyday facts into blasphemy. With the heaviest impacts of that on vulnerable people, women and kids. It’s a men’s sexual rights campaign.

Sorry, off on a tangent there....

But the arts are very captured as rosie's experience horrifically demonstrates.

Off to garden...

There's also the sexual health circus 🤡

sexualhealthcircus.co.uk/

A few years ago there was a big fall out in the circus community, one recognised leader if a large online group was ostracised for his terf views.

I remember seeing a victory dance posted on line by a naked bar loose pants pre op trans woman. With much applause.

When I recently re visited large open fb groups it's seems the trend to get mastectomies if you're a female performer and call each other xx and xy.

Why does this matter?

Circus groups rely on a lot of funding for educational workshops in schools and also run a lot of after school and holiday clubs. It's their main source of income.

The arts council will give grants But the arts council also runs school accreditation in the arts, where you need to prove your schools commitment to the arts, including working with practitioners. There's also arts awards which go from ks1 right up to gcse and actually is a recognised qualification. The core aim is to engage with and work within arts settings and with artists of all backgrounds, which could actually include circus.

This is appalling.

You simply can't escape biological reality in dance.

Circus has tried, but as hormones affect physical strength and biology impacts discussion of training etc they have resorted to calling people.... drumroll....xx and xy.

Darcy Bussell is such a tough but that when she broke both wrists slamming into the wings (an issue for dance spaces and dancers is that they come off stage at full speed) she nevertheless finished the act.

Did she ever lift any male dancers in moves that male dancers typically make with female?

Ballet has been subject to many challenges in recent years: the long exclusion of dancers of colour for example. Boy Jumps and Girl Jumps are technical terms in the context of dance, but actually as RK herself said she did ‘boy jumps’ the ability to to them does not seem to rely on physiology. Always worth reviewing, discussing and updating our language. Not reporting people for using standard terminology.

@LaPufalina

Peter Daly is her lawyer

(Peter Daly represented Maya Forstater. Here's his thoughts on that judgment: The Forstater Judgment: What Next?)

Peter Daly is her lawyer

Donated to the fundraiser. Rosie has put a bit more info on what legal costs she’s anticipating on her donations page.

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Thank you.

I was simply interested that this ONE instance of what was regarded as an unsexed individual was regarded as so remarkable that it got a programme on the radio all about it, and yet two out of nine people in this dance group seemed to be claiming the same ... what, status? Condition?

[quote AssassinatedBeauty]@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime this Baby John Musamba is a woman with MRKH syndrome. It sounds like her diagnosis has been poorly understood by herself and those around her, and those reporting on it. This is most definitely not a case of someone who is neither male or female. And it is nothing to do with transgenderism or gender ideology. [/quote]
And the non- or mis-diagnosis may be as much to do with the disadvantages of race, country & access to healthcare. Caster Semenya was undiagnosed VSD (DSD) which may have been a consequence of her race & her family's access to healthcare when she was born.