Choreographer Rosie Kay forced to resign from her own company

I like a nice carrot cake- just bought some.

I read the article that is now on the front page of the BBC app and came to find the thread.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-59584638

?? Wrong thread or some clever way of getting round the T+C's that I have missed.

The Carrot Allegory sounds really interesting 😆

22640 carrots produced, the recipe quotes 25000 so a bit more digging wouldn't go amiss. Ovarit tells you where to find the recipe 🥕🥕

It's all bizarre. Is ballet no longer highly competitive? Getting a place in a functioning dance company in today's economic climate seems a strange thing to throw away because you can't boss your employer around. The expectation of being able to boss your employer around in the contentious area of identity politics is an odd one. If it's not the right dance company for them they should have resigned and then someone happy to just dance could have had their place..

So they've realised that their behaviour makes them look bad? Awww. Rosie should have just put up and shut up. Skunk away quietly like the horrible transphobe she is.

What odious brats.

Or that they're realising from the public reaction how their behaviour is being viewed by most people? And they're panicked by the disapproval and disagreement?

The dancers who sent the open letter whine about ""potential detriment to [their] careers".

Why would that be? Surely if they're on the right side of history and all right-thinking people agree with them, it can only boost their standing.

It couldn't possibly be because they actually realise that lots of people won't want to take on employees / contractors who behave in such an aggressive, overbearing, dictatorial manner, could it?

Eternal damnation.

I'm a huge fan of dance - traditional ballet and contemporary but I can't stand allets Trockadero de Monte Carlo. It's a horrible , nasty parody.

Well, solipsism doesn't make for good team bonding ime.

That's an interesting point.

Good luck to those 'dancers' in finding another job. They have rendered themselves completely unemployable. There are thousands of other dancers to choose from, and no choreographer or artistic director is actively going to employ a troublemaker.

Well said MummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking!

I find this appalling. Of all the professions in the world, the dance industry has long been one of the most inclusive of sexual orientation and gender.

Les Ballets Trockadero de Monte Carlo being a well-known example.

They probably decided to have a go at her because they went to an audition and didn't get cast.

It wasn't enough that she apologised, they wanted her to grovel. They wanted her to lecture her on why she was wrong, until she believed.

They didn't think there should be someone in charge either, uncomfortable because there's a boss fgs! They felt oppressed because they have to work for someone Nope, fresh out of education and they thought they were entitled to a share of her power.

And then the poor little brats got the shock of their poor little lives when a woman said NO. Boo fuckity hoo. They thought they could ride the coat tails of a woman's success and turn it into a student project where everyone's in charge and they can validate each other all day long, with HER reputation and HER revenue.

I read the BBC article. All power to Rosie for pushing back.

Non binary doesn't have protection and these are non binary who freely auditioned for gendered roles in the first fucking place!

It's cake and eating it again.

Only trans people can play trans roles, but they can also play all the other roles.

I hope Rosie explains when next auditioning that the roles are specifically for people who are male or female.

*crime was

Plus, stating that biological males are biologically male, and that biological females are biologically female and that even if you identity as NB you are still able or female biologically are not beliefs. They are facts. Widely evidenced and known.

Exactly. How have we come to the position where someone can take offence to the point of getting their boss sacked, because their erroneous view that they are neither male nor female is disagreed with??

It's absolutely nonsensical.

And the fact that these people genuinely, one hundred percent believe that they have the right to force people to their belief system is very worrying. They truly think that everyone should pretend that they are not one sex or the other.

This is Rosie's company, why the bloody hell would she go out of her way to insult the entire company. I've heard a zillion times women being accused of saying that all transwomen are predators, to utterly disbelieve that she said so. She would, quite rightly, and accurately, have asserted that allowing men into women spaces is a risk.

Her crying was she stood up for herself and other women.

"I think they often massively underestimate how much our non-trans femaleness affects our lives."

Yes! This!

But what's weird is some of them that do this underestimation are female themselves.

[quote ViceLikeBlip]@NecessaryScene yes, I agree. I think that in general, trans people believe that their transness affects their every day life more than our non-trasness, that it's a bigger part of their lives and so OF COURSE it makes sense for them to raise it often. I think they often massively underestimate how much our non-trans femaleness affects our lives.

Being a woman has a far bigger impact on my life than being an atheist does.[/quote]
Yes! I can avoid a place of worship and not take part in religious events and activities. I cannot avoid my breasts or identify out of my period.