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NZ passes SelfID

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NZGC · 09/12/2021 06:24

NZ passed self ID today - with hardly a ripple. (Currently) it’s not even on the front page of our online news sites. It feels utterly crushing. www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/parliament-passes-self-id-bill-at-third-reading-making-it-easier-for-trans-people-to-update-birth-certificates/M24MBI57SURETEJB5CEVJLEPH4/

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KittenKong · 09/12/2021 08:42

She has a daughter doesn’t she? So she can expect to have a teenage girl telling at her in a few years for taking women’s rights away

Porridgeislife · 09/12/2021 08:41

It’s an enormous fallacy that New Zealand is a country of friendly liberal types. Kiwis individually tend to be friendly people which is where this comes from.

Away from the city centres it’s exceptionally big C conservative. Liberalism is at best a thin veneer.

Jacinda has been anything but liberal in how she’s handled Covid. Auckland’s lockdown was astonishing in its severity.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/12/2021 08:40

Both led by a vacuous virtue signaller who’s great at the photo opps and sound bites and appears liberal but is actually under the surface an unpleasant authoritarian misogynist who does not give a flying fuck about women. Straight out of the Nicola Sturgeon school of government.

Indeed.

NZGC · 09/12/2021 08:01

Agree with you @Moneypennysfreedomfund

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KittenKong · 09/12/2021 08:01

What is it with Scotland, Canada and NZ? Seriously...

NZGC · 09/12/2021 07:56

Oh excuse all the tense/grammar mistakes. Clearly overwrought.

What I wouldn’t have given for there to have been a couple of good old fashioned ‘Conservatives’ to have at least opposed it. Alas our ‘Conservative’ party (National) is the other side of the same neo liberal coin as Labour.

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Totalwasteofpaper · 09/12/2021 07:55

@Clymene

New Zealand is lost. 1 in 3 women in nz are victims of Dv and now they can be locked up with their perpetrators

Slow hand clap for Ardern with her liberal middle class lens

This.

I wonder how many women will have to be raped for them to "consider reviewing" the policy.

NZGC · 09/12/2021 07:52

What a I wouldn’t give to have a couple of good old fashioned ‘Conservatives’ to have at least opposed it. Alas our ‘Conservative’ party (National) is the other side of the same neo liberal coin Labour is.

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Moneypennysfreedomfund · 09/12/2021 07:51

I’m appalled, I love this country ( UK born, bred and educated) I would be classed as left wing and yup voted for Ardern. Will not do so again. The main group that tried to support women had a campaign of silence and smear via the press

speakupforwomen.nz/addressing-misinformation-regarding-concerns-with-sex-self-identification/

I’ve noticed that things in NZ are shifting to a strange new realm where it’s ok for the government to admit they have broken the human rights act re mandating vaccines ( I’m double vaccinated but do not support mandates) … but can ignore half the country and their rights, it’s become very perilous in schools as well. In the same vein it’s seen as ok by our council for men to picket the local hospital with anti abortion placards on the one day a week, I believe, the clinic for abortion services is open.

We are being erased down here … and all the political parties supported it… and I’m furious…

NZGC · 09/12/2021 07:41

Some 75% of submissions opposed this but it doesn’t matter when the government won’t listen. The ultimate insult - it was passed unanimously. Just utterly soul destroying.

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Terfydactyl · 09/12/2021 07:38

Oh ffs.
And you know in a year that NZ will be the poster country for this whole fucking argument.

See NZ has had these laws in place for a year and nothing terrible has happened.
Completely bypassing those few places women can speak and are telling us that it's not working.
Completely forgetting that now its law it cannot be talked about in the open. It all has to be in secret.
I dont even know how someone who runs a country can be so bloody dense as to make this law without any thinking around the possible issues.

LoveGrooveDanceParty · 09/12/2021 07:09

This was our Minister for Women (yes, women) today. Believe me, not everyone is OK with this, but in this climate, you’re not allowed to dissent.

NZ passes SelfID
Caggietambellblack · 09/12/2021 07:04

NZ has gone the same way as Canada sadly.

Both led by a vacuous virtue signaller who’s great at the photo opps and sound bites and appears liberal but is actually under the surface an unpleasant authoritarian misogynist who does not give a flying fuck about women. Straight out of the Nicola Sturgeon school of government.

This will be very hard for the women of NZ who care about women’s rights to undo.

SpindlesWinterWhorl · 09/12/2021 07:00

The NZ government is full of fucking idiots. Imagine being so venal that you're able to be manipulated by some really nasty bastards with a hideous ideology.

I hope the indigenous wahine Māori women fighting this atrocity take it right to the top of the human rights ladder.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 09/12/2021 07:00

That has an made my heart sink into my boots. Do they not be think or do they just not care?

ChakaFridaMendips · 09/12/2021 06:52

@Clymene

New Zealand is lost. 1 in 3 women in nz are victims of Dv and now they can be locked up with their perpetrators

Slow hand clap for Ardern with her liberal middle class lens

This

For a ‘nice’ country with nice people, there really is some shit going on behind closed doors.

Clymene · 09/12/2021 06:45

New Zealand is lost. 1 in 3 women in nz are victims of Dv and now they can be locked up with their perpetrators

Slow hand clap for Ardern with her liberal middle class lens

lovelyweathertoday · 09/12/2021 06:37
Angry