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If a general election was called, who would you vote for?

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Anothernamechange3 · 07/12/2021 22:42

Or really, who can I vote for? I don’t want to vote Tory, especially after today’s revelations. I also don’t feel happy voting Labour or Green, for reasons often discussed on this board. Is there a party you’d feel happy to vote to be in power if you had a chance to, say, tomorrow? Feeling pretty despondent

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rifling · 08/12/2021 09:30

I was talking about this with my mum. She lives in a Tory constituency where the Lib Dems have a good chance. She has campaigned for the Lib Dems/Liberals for over 50 years. At the last election the candidate basically said that anyone who refuses to believe TWAW is a bigot. She was upset that this counted far more than her years and years of volunteering and campaigning and for the first time didn't renew her membership. She's now considering voting Tory as at least the local candidate is not a Boris croney!

DeclareThePenniesOnYourEyes · 08/12/2021 09:29

@FourTeaFallOut fair enough. That’s your decision. But not wanting to “sink women for anything” seems quite minor in comparison to sinking poor kids that the Tories are keen not to feed, or our education system that they are keen to academise, privatise and monetise, or the NHS which they’re systematically dismantling. And I say that as a feminist and someone on a similar page to you about the trans situation in this country right now.

CrispAndFrosty · 08/12/2021 09:24

[quote CrossPurposes]@CrispAndFrosty

thecritic.co.uk/did-women-in-academia-cause-wokeness/[/quote]
That's the one, thank you! Ha, not a great headline for a feminist forum, is it?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/12/2021 09:23

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AutumnAlmanack · 08/12/2021 09:17

Conservative in a very safe Conservative seat.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/12/2021 09:17

I know who I won't vote for. Any candidate that supports removing women's rights and disenfranchising them from society. Oh and any candidate or party that supports calling other citizens scum.

SirChenjins · 08/12/2021 09:14

Whichever party is most likely to adversely impact the SNP’s vote share.

CrossPurposes · 08/12/2021 09:11

Actually I'm not sure it is that article after all. Sorry for the distraction.

Alonelonelylonersbadidea · 08/12/2021 09:10

Communist Party

But I'll look into SDP right now...

Disfordarkchocolate · 08/12/2021 09:10

God knows, out MP is in a safe Conservative seat and he tows the party line no matter what.

Our labour candidate is unelectable.

Not sure I'd that leaves anyone.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 08/12/2021 09:09

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CrossPurposes · 08/12/2021 09:08

@CrispAndFrosty

thecritic.co.uk/did-women-in-academia-cause-wokeness/

Insertdeadcatsnamehere · 08/12/2021 09:00

And even if I was likely to vote tory I would still be of the opinion that that the left needs to sort itself out because the government, whoever they are, need a strong opposition. The lack of which we are currently seeing the effects of...

Insertdeadcatsnamehere · 08/12/2021 08:58

Trying to win over the opposition by telling them they are evil doesn't tend to be a particularly successful tactic. I think part of the reason the tories have done so well in the north recently is because people percieve Labour (and the left in general) to be patronising and vilifying them if they don't totally toe the line. I think that the superior attitude of the left and the insistence on total ideological purity has been a massive contributer to the state we're in now where I just can't see that anyone other than the tories will get in in the foreseeable future. Calling people scum for having differing opinions is not how we move forward.

Needmoresleep · 08/12/2021 08:58

@TreborBore

If Tory is your idea of the best then you have extremely low standards.
This illustrates the problem I have with Labour.

No debate, just insult and othering.

A response which said something like “I would find it difficult to vote Tory because…” or I will vote Conservative because I am concerned that Labour do not seem to addressed possible anti Semitism, or because they seem to be ignoring women’s concerns.

Politics should not be tribal. We need to drill down and examine polities, and hold all parties to account.

FWIW my first term Labour MP is all but invisible. A safe seat so I will protest vote. She does not speak up for women, or it appears, anyone. It would be good for her to see her majority decline.

CrispAndFrosty · 08/12/2021 08:56

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CrispAndFrosty · 08/12/2021 08:54

@LobsterNapkin

I don't know. Women seem as likely if not more so to push identity politics and gender ideology.
I agree. I read an article about this recently, which discussed the results of a study that showed that women are more likely to want to enforce "niceness" (#bekind, check your privilege etc) and to employ ostracism in order to do so. I haven't been over this study with a fine toothed comb (in fact, can't even find the article! Was probably in the Critic or Unherd, anyone else see it?), but it did ring true to me. I mean, think of almost any supposedly women-run women's or girls' organisation or group - how many of them have stood firm against it, and how many have actually swallowed it whole and taken in on as their new crusade? And it's mostly women I see on LinkedIn displaying their pronouns. With men, there are the Harrops of this world, and then a larger number of beardy woke bros who like to take their high horse for a little ride, but beyond that I don't think there's the same #bekind guilt-fervour motivating many men. I think more women see this issue as being about protecting "the most vulnerable" and therefore of great moral importance, whereas men are less likely to see it that way, or to be that fussed.

I remember how disheartened I was during the last Labour leadership contest, when all the female contestants signed the pledge calling WPUK a hate group etc. Only Keir Starter refused (not that he's been much use ever since).

highame · 08/12/2021 08:50

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highame · 08/12/2021 08:49

I've spoiled my ballot over the past couple of elections. Manifesto commitments from Labour, Lib Dem and Greens would implement self-id. I am not convinced that Tory's are committed to women's rights. There seems to be a lot of confusion and where there's confusion, it usually signals a 'what can we get away with, where are the voters on this' which isn't really what I'm after.

Someone noted that there has been a lot more coverage and that coverage may eventually have the 'progressives' asking whether their policies really are progressive. Still plenty of time for that debate I hope because right now I'm still in the spoiled ballot area. I usually write something, not just a scribble. Mine is a safe Tory seat btw which makes a difference

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Insertdeadcatsnamehere · 08/12/2021 08:47

Very safe Labour seat, I spoilt my ballot last time. Not sure what I'd do if it was more marginal, our Labour candidate is possibly more sensible than some of his local colleagues who have been very vocal that they think TWAW. I'd be amazed if he did think that but he's kept his seat for about 20 years by remaining silent and largely absent from his constituency so I don't think he's about to start doing anything different now. Sod the lot of them.

Andante57 · 08/12/2021 08:46

@TreborBore

If Tory is your idea of the best then you have extremely low standards.
So voting Tory is unacceptable, but you have no problems with posters who are voting communist?
RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 08/12/2021 08:42

@MrsElijahMikaelson1

My area is such a stronghold for one major party I’m completely disillusioned with it and my vote would literally have zero impact.
This basically

I will probably vote for an independent candidate depending on their views

I’d deffo look at the communist party if they stand…but I don’t think they did last time

FlipFlops4Me · 08/12/2021 07:37

@FindingMeno

So long as I have a gasp of breath in my body I will never vote Tory. I usually work on the basis of which party is most likely to keep them out. Starmer doesn't appeal to me at all though and I'm thoroughly pissed off with the Labour Party since their determination to sink Corbyn and proper socialist values. After Clegg snuggling up with Cameron I'll not be voting yellow, so I guess it'll be Green and maybe they'll get to keep their deposit. It's a depressing shitshow.
This.

Couldn't be more pissed off with the whole lot of them.

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