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If a general election was called, who would you vote for?

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Anothernamechange3 · 07/12/2021 22:42

Or really, who can I vote for? I don’t want to vote Tory, especially after today’s revelations. I also don’t feel happy voting Labour or Green, for reasons often discussed on this board. Is there a party you’d feel happy to vote to be in power if you had a chance to, say, tomorrow? Feeling pretty despondent

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ArabellaScott · 08/12/2021 10:41

@SirChenjins

Whichever party is most likely to adversely impact the SNP’s vote share.
Same.
Wtfdoipick · 08/12/2021 10:41

I would most likely vote tory, hate Boris completely but I have a decent local mp who works hard for his constituents and when I remember our joke of a Labour one previously I'd rather stick to the one we have. Besides I do think women's rights are fundamental and losing those would do far more damage long term than another term of tory rule could.

ArabellaScott · 08/12/2021 10:38

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TheMarzipanDildo · 08/12/2021 10:38

@SpeedRunParent

It really worries me how many people would vote based on a single issue. People may not agree with 'gender woo' but would you really place your opinion about other people gender orientation over how much investment our mental health / social care / nhs services receive? Really?
Well that’s why I can’t vote Conservative.

But the gender stuff is not ‘single issue’- it negatively affects women in prison, sports, rape crisis centres, it puts insecure teenagers on an often very unnecessary and potentially dangerous medical pathway, it tells lesbians that they ought to sleep with trans women to be inclusive, it tells children that they are just sets of sexist stereotypes on a Barbie-Ken spectrum, it tells us all that men’s feelings are more important than women’s safety and privacy and it is authoritarian and often downright nasty. When politicians unquestionably support this stuff I assume that they are (a) wilfully ignorant or (b) easily led or (c) misogynists and homophobes. None of which are character traits that I admire in public figures.

ArabellaScott · 08/12/2021 10:37

@JustSpeculation

In very blunt terms, the Tories are greedy, corrupt and incompetent. But Labour are cowards and bullies, and that's worse. Navel gazing delusionals to boot. If there were more Rosie Duffields I could vote Labour.

But there aren't.

And the fringe parties are fringier than they've been for decades.

So, Tory, if there was a general election tomorrow. Locally, I could still vote Lib dem.

Exactly the correct description for both main parties.

I am hoping that Mumsnet is going to stand: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/a4420760-58-yo-woman-plots-to-overthrow-the-government?msgid=113133317#113133317

Or host a non-violent overthrow, at least.

Needmoresleep · 08/12/2021 10:36

I would vote for Rosie Duffield MP without a moment's hesitation if I were in her constituency. I see her as having both principles and common sense. Not surprising that she has managed to retain what had been considered a safe Tory seat.

Why don't the LibDems and Labour see it? I really don't get it. And precisely why I can't vote for either.

TheABC · 08/12/2021 10:34

I am torn. I live in a Conservative seat that was previously Lib Dem, so could be up for grabs at the next election.

Do I vote for the party that actively campaigned for male rapists in female prisons or do I go for the party that has corruption down to an art form?

Oh, decisions, decisions....

CrispAndFrosty · 08/12/2021 10:33

If a party doesn’t have a grasp on reality, doesn’t care about freedom of speech and thought, about the collection and analysis of accurate data, before we even get to child safeguarding, safeguarding of vulnerable adults and the distinct needs of women, then really I am not going to trust them to sort out public services or anything else.

This is exactly it. It's not the same as me just deciding that one issue is more important than the rest. It's about how these parties actually work, from the grassroots to the top. I now see the Labour Party as vulnerable to totalitarianism. Not just vulnerable to - I see totalitarianism and intolerance and a lack of critical thought in the Labour Party almost every time I look at it. That is absolutely fundamental, regardless of the issue. If they were OK on gender but had all decided that the earth was flat and that "round-earthers" were evil bigots who must be expelled, that would be equally troubling.

DaisiesandButtercups · 08/12/2021 10:25

I abstained for the first time in my life in the last elections, the local and PCC ones.

If a party doesn’t have a grasp on reality, doesn’t care about freedom of speech and thought, about the collection and analysis of accurate data, before we even get to child safeguarding, safeguarding of vulnerable adults and the distinct needs of women, then really I am not going to trust them to sort out public services or anything else.

I also live in a safe seat so in the FPTP general elections my vote counts for nothing. In local elections Liberal Democrats or Conservatives could get in but I can’t in conscience vote for either.

I would vote for any candidate openly standing for reality, accurate data, safeguarding and a sex based understanding of what a woman or a man is, and our rights to state our understanding that sex is binary, cannot be changed and that it matters and openly defending our rights not to be forced to participate in the beliefs of others to the contrary.

Leafstamp · 08/12/2021 10:22

@WomenR

From now on I will be voting by candidate rather than party. The first qualifying question is easy: What is a woman?
I think this is the best way forward for many of us on this board.
Zerogravity · 08/12/2021 10:19

It really worries me how many people would vote based on a single issue.
But it affects everything. It is not niche. I believe that eliminating sex in law and prioritizing gender would be disastrous.

Needmoresleep · 08/12/2021 10:14

To add, my vote is a vote that women fought and died for.

I owe it to them to not allow it to be taken away.

Needmoresleep · 08/12/2021 10:12

@SpeedRunParent

It really worries me how many people would vote based on a single issue. People may not agree with 'gender woo' but would you really place your opinion about other people gender orientation over how much investment our mental health / social care / nhs services receive? Really?
I would not be able to vote for any party that denies my existence and refuses to listen to my voice.

This is not a ‘single issue’. This is fundamental.

FourTeaFallOut · 08/12/2021 10:12

I absolutely will make the principle of biological reality my priority when I vote.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/12/2021 10:06

Whether I do or not is up to me, not you. My vote.

SpeedRunParent · 08/12/2021 09:56

It really worries me how many people would vote based on a single issue. People may not agree with 'gender woo' but would you really place your opinion about other people gender orientation over how much investment our mental health / social care / nhs services receive? Really?

WomanStillNotAFeeling · 08/12/2021 09:53

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SpeedRunParent · 08/12/2021 09:52

@FindingMeno
Yep, that just about sums up my stance too.

PerditaNitt · 08/12/2021 09:50

I live in a very safe Tory seat, so I will vote based on the views of the local candidates rather than the broader party
(knowing that alas it will make little difference). I’m hoping to make it clear to candidates who canvass that sex vs gender is not a niche issue!

WomanStillNotAFeeling · 08/12/2021 09:46

@FourTeaFallOut

It's not about Tories caring about women. Nobody thinks the Tories give a fuck about anyone. It's the concerns about handing power to a government that cannot point to one and the cascade of unintended consequences for women and girls when their sex is silenced and erased and the inability to row back when that happens.
Well put
WomanStillNotAFeeling · 08/12/2021 09:45

I’ve been spoiling my vote as I can’t vote Labour anymore Sad

Despite the greed and utter shambles of the Tory government I may even vote Tory next time as retaining women's rights is too important an issue

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 08/12/2021 09:44

Labour.

I am concerned about the erosion of women's rights, and the role of Labour (collectively and many many specific individuals) in driving that. But for me it is a lesser issue than investment in public services, particularly education and health, and on those issues I strongly prefer Labour. Sending my children to school through this era of brutal austerity has been heartbreaking. The contempt and the corruption of the current government is also shocking - plenty of corrupt self-serving behaviour from politicians from all parties of course, but Johnson's government in particular are awful.

In practice I live in a very safe Labour seat, with a longstanding local MP who I agree with about many things, disagree hugely with about some others, but who is broadly very good in his local work. If he doorsteps me I will gladly discuss women's rights (and our right to hoard them Wink) with him, but I will vote for him again either way.

FourTeaFallOut · 08/12/2021 09:42

It's not about Tories caring about women. Nobody thinks the Tories give a fuck about anyone. It's the concerns about handing power to a government that cannot point to one and the cascade of unintended consequences for women and girls when their sex is silenced and erased and the inability to row back when that happens.

Gingerkittykat · 08/12/2021 09:36

@TreborBore

If Tory is your idea of the best then you have extremely low standards.
The tories don't care about women.

Look at the FSM fiasco of last year where it would be mostly mums worrying about feeding their kids or the rape clause in Universal credit.

I live in a fairly marginal SNP/Labour seat and as much as I am pro indi I feel more drawn to Labour right now.

KleineDracheKokosnuss · 08/12/2021 09:33

@EricCartmansUnderpants

Tory. Best out of a very shit bunch. It's not saying much.
^^this

I refuse to countenance voting for any party (or allowing one in by not voting) that fails to recognise and protect women’s rights

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