If a general election was called, who would you vote for?

Imagine voting for the Conservatives because you're more worried about a trans woman in a changing room,
If you think this is about changing rooms you have a lot of catching up to do!

If Labour really wanted to get into power and help poorer people they'd dump the genderism and the patronising attitudes. They'd stop calling Leavers racists. They'd lock Owen Jones in a wooden box and leave him somewhere in Siberia.
Labour don't give a fuck about actually getting into power. They all still get paid anyway. They get to play at politics without any responsibility. They can be as woke as they want to be, they can claim good versus evil etc etc. Pragmatically speaking it's a total waste of time, but it obviously works on some people because there are plenty who suck it up and still vote Labour. I won't, I was a Labour voter all my life and I'm an ex-member but they can fuck right off. Does that make me scum? I don't give a fuck.

Imagine voting for the Conservatives because you're more worried about a trans woman in a changing room, than you are about the hundreds of thousands of women disproportionately impacted by austerity.

If that's how you think, you've truly lost the plot, and you certainly don't care about women.

Malaga

I think for some of them, they actually are for identity politics generally, they only object to the gender element. Feminism for them is a form of identity politics.

It's not a single issue problem.

I'm surprised how many women on here have still not made the connection between this gender ideology and all the other identity politics.

Yea this is the most extreme form.
Yes this form threatens women.
But there are plenty of other groups playing the power/ victim game which allowed this ideology to take hold.

It's an underpinning philosophy that's taken hold of the left. That Life is a battle between oppressors and the oppressed.
Identity is everything.
Aim is to be in a victim identity group.
That's where the power now is.

The right haven't fully succumbed, so I'm with them for the moment. As if we go with the oppressed/ oppressor game we just divide and ultimately tear each other apart.

It sometimes seems the left want that.
Especially when they call you scum.

I genuinely think there are some brilliant people in both labour and conservative parties, I just wish they were more prominent voices.

I can’t answer your question. It’s just made me grateful to realise I don’t have to make that choice just yet.

With shame, rage and fury, I'll hold my nose and vote Tory until a party whose principles I like either evolves, or returns to reality.

Anyone still thinking at this point this has anything to do with 'woo' or 'how people identify' have no idea what they're truly talking about and need to start paying attention to what the issue actually is.

People may not agree with 'gender woo' but would you really place your opinion about other people gender orientation over how much investment our mental health / social care / nhs services receive? Really?

You're missing the point (and it's a big one.)

No, I don't give a fuck about nice stuff around investment in anything including the NHS once 50% of the human race have been subordinated to the other 50% in law, in society and in all services and a fuckton of those 50% now have access to no services at all

Remove rights from women and really expecting them to care about anything much than that is insanity.

the dehumanising, sexism on crack, dystopian anti-female and safeguarding hell that will follow Stonewall getting into power.

My kingdom for an edit button.

A vote for anyone but the Tories is a vote for Stonewall.

I would give a hell of a lot to not have to live in the dehumanising, anti sexism on crack, dystopian female and safeguarding hell that will follow Stonewall getting into power.

I don't want this current farce of a government to continue, but will vote any way I have to to keep Stonewall out of power. It's one plain issue now.

People may not agree with 'gender woo' but would you really place your opinion about other people gender orientation over how much investment our mental health / social care / nhs services receive? Really?

I don’t give a damn about other people’s gender identity. They’re welcome to express themselves in any way they like as long as it doesn’t infringe anyone else’s rights.

Allowing males into women-only spaces is a massive infringement of our rights. Add to that the child safeguarding issues, untested drug treatments on teenagers, loss of women’s sports etc, and that is one hell of a ‘single issue’.

Very well summarised LobsterNapkin

Alba Party.

I don’t know what I'd do if I were in England or Wales.

And I agree that gender politics is an enormous "single issue" that encompasses the dignity and safety of women and children.

I'd genuinely struggle. We have a good lib dem candidate who is our local Councillor but the party is as captured as all the other left leaning parties.

The SDP don't really stand here and, ignoring the ukip defectees, I'm not a fan of their "traditional family values".

They also may feel that the other options, while maybe somewhat better in other areas, are actually kind of crappy there too. Labour and other liberal parties like Labour have generally not actually challenged global capitalism in any serious way. And even when they put more cash into certain areas, they may or may not do so in a way that's effective. There is a judgment call for a voter around the degree to which they will really improve these things significantly.

For me though the fundamental problem is identity politics, free speech, lobbying, and all of these basic principles of liberal democracy. Gender ideology is only part of that. Parties like Labour haven't just embraced gender bollocks, they have embraced that whole approach to politics. And that is bad because it is an approach that fundamentally degrades the political system and our ability to influence it. If Labour had been in, there would not only be self-id, there very likely be laws like those here in Canada criminalizing talking about certain ideas as hate speech. There would not be any push back on academic freedom in universities at the political level. Etc.

That's not a single issue problem.

I'd vote for anyone who could defeat the sitting MP, who's been there over 30 years. It's beginning to look slightly more likely, and could be done if the two main opposing parties got their act together. They both want him out as much as anyone, but they won't agree on a joint candidate, because they both think they can do better than the other party - which isn't the point.

The level of monomaniacal derangement is such that even after all that has happened in the last 18 months and domestic crisis such as the apparently inexorable slide of Scottish education down international league tables and the apparently inexorable slide up the league tables in drug deaths , the separatists still think the most pressing concern is running another separatist referendum.

Oh 😂 Not as far as I'm aware. There's a very similar thread running in chat though, which might explain it.

No worries, that's on me. I just missed it. I usually try to tone down the scrappiness on the odd occasion that I post here with the proper grown ups. I'll head back to aibu now.

It appears feminism has gone so far left, it's now hard right

I am genuinely asking if the thread has been shifted.

I don't think I could vote. I'm further to the right economically than most on this board, but the Tories are hypocritical and incompetent. I voted for them last time, but I don't think they deserve my vote right now.

All the rest have either had their minds addled by woke nonsense, or are cowards who go along with it despite not believing in it, with the exception of the Communist Party, and they're not an an option because I'm essentially a classical liberal.

So I stay home, or I spoil my ballot with a feminist sticker.

Tory, but I’d be really pissed off that I’d been put in that position. I hope (and expect) that by the next general election there will be a credible conservative leader in place for PM.