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If a general election was called, who would you vote for?

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Anothernamechange3 · 07/12/2021 22:42

Or really, who can I vote for? I don’t want to vote Tory, especially after today’s revelations. I also don’t feel happy voting Labour or Green, for reasons often discussed on this board. Is there a party you’d feel happy to vote to be in power if you had a chance to, say, tomorrow? Feeling pretty despondent

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Artichokeleaves · 08/12/2021 21:34

The trouble is that not voting and spoiling papers will just end up risking Stonewall puppets getting into power.

I'll vote for which ever party will keep that from happening. What else matters at this point. Stonewall in power would end women's rights in this country. At speed. Gleefully.

Myothercarisalsoshit · 08/12/2021 21:24

Can't and won't vote tory ever. Won't vote Labour becuase of their attitude towards people who think biological sex is important. I think Gorgeous George is the worst kind of political shyster so won't be voting for him. Greens and Lib Dems out. Most likely I won't vote at all.

3peassuit · 08/12/2021 21:23

I spoiled my ballot as a protest vote in the last election. It was the only time in over 40 years that I had not voted Labour. I’m afraid I’ll have to do the same at the next election.

amter · 08/12/2021 21:22

Tory, but if I was in Canterbury I would vote for Rosie Duffield

CheeseMmmm · 08/12/2021 21:18

The right/ left politics threads come up a lot. Often in good faith obv. Not uncommonly started to try to guilt women into voting a certain way.

Reading this one for me it's mostly same right/ left etc but realised another thing that only was nebulous before.

Imo and seeing this is Feminism board.

ArabellaScott · 08/12/2021 20:11

I'm surprised how many women on here have still not made the connection between this gender ideology and all the other identity politics.

If anyone's unsure of this, you only need to look North to see the SNP offer a shining example of style over substance. Our infrastructure is shagged, our schools are failing, and the SNP just keep attacking the Tories. That's all they have.

ScreamingMeMe · 08/12/2021 18:57

@MalagaNights

It's not a single issue problem.

I'm surprised how many women on here have still not made the connection between this gender ideology and all the other identity politics.

Yea this is the most extreme form.
Yes this form threatens women.
But there are plenty of other groups playing the power/ victim game which allowed this ideology to take hold.

It's an underpinning philosophy that's taken hold of the left. That Life is a battle between oppressors and the oppressed.
Identity is everything.
Aim is to be in a victim identity group.
That's where the power now is.

The right haven't fully succumbed, so I'm with them for the moment. As if we go with the oppressed/ oppressor game we just divide and ultimately tear each other apart.

It sometimes seems the left want that.
Especially when they call you scum.

In a nutshell:
If a general election was called, who would you vote for?
anon12345678901 · 08/12/2021 18:57

Tories.

ScreamingMeMe · 08/12/2021 18:54

@CorrBlimeyGG

Imagine voting for the Conservatives because you're more worried about a trans woman in a changing room, than you are about the hundreds of thousands of women disproportionately impacted by austerity.

If that's how you think, you've truly lost the plot, and you certainly don't care about women.

RTFT.
EnnAndJay · 08/12/2021 17:58

Some more from the Worker's Party of Britain:

twitter.com/WorkersPartyGB/status/1411029567096115202

twitter.com/WorkersPartyGB/status/1428384345102995461

twitter.com/WorkersPartyGB/status/1356225944818741248

I think they plan to stand candidates wherever they can at the next election after their positive result in Batley and Spen.

Anothernamechange3 · 08/12/2021 17:57

@EnnAndJay

Worker's Party of Britain - left-wing and GC.

twitter.com/WorkersPartyGB/status/1355154864716787712

Anyone voting Labour, Lib Dem, Green, or SNP needs to take a long look in the fucking mirror.

Thank you, will look into this some more (just have to block out image of pretending to be a cat petted by Rula Lenska Grin)
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LobsterNapkin · 08/12/2021 17:51

@Floisme

Unfortunately sneering at anyone who disagrees with them seems to be the only tactic the left knows these days. You'd have thought they'd have learned their lesson when they threw away the red wall vote, but it would seem not.
There is some major mental blockage there.

If the Labour Party was a person in therapy, I wonder what the analyst would diagnose?

WaltzingTilda · 08/12/2021 17:51

Tories

LobsterNapkin · 08/12/2021 17:49

And I think if you watch, it becomes clear that actually, a lot of the things they are arguing for, they are doing it because it's the right and moral thing to think, not because they have seriously thought through the advantages and disadvantages.

And that's a problem. They look at these questions - say how to deal with refugees, or whether it's a good idea to nationalize certain services, or whether we should push electric cars - and to them it is a black and white moral issue. Good people accept refugees, nationalize x y and z, or make combustion engines illegal.

Yet as someone who is generally pro nationalization, who thinks a robust mechanism to deal with refugees is important, who thinks climate change is an existential issue - I know that there are problems and repercussions to any policy decisions.

The stupid fuckwits in my country have just passed a bill that will potentially criminalize therapists talking about the fact of their physical bodies being male or female with kids. Because it was the nice, right thing to do. No thoughts given to repercussions, that stuff, they say, will work itself out.

That kind of thinking is not going to produce good policy except by accident.

Floisme · 08/12/2021 17:47

Unfortunately sneering at anyone who disagrees with them seems to be the only tactic the left knows these days.
You'd have thought they'd have learned their lesson when they threw away the red wall vote, but it would seem not.

EnnAndJay · 08/12/2021 17:47

Worker's Party of Britain - left-wing and GC.

twitter.com/WorkersPartyGB/status/1355154864716787712

Anyone voting Labour, Lib Dem, Green, or SNP needs to take a long look in the fucking mirror.

teawamutu · 08/12/2021 17:41

if you're voting Tory because you think they're the best bet for women's rights there's just not a lot to say about that really!

What there is to say is: Shame on you, Labour and Lib Dems, for being so utterly useless and misogynistic that the Tories - the farking TORIES! - are the only major political party prepared to admit what a woman is, and preserve basic rights in law (and not even all of those).

Sneering at women driven away will not bring them back.

ElaineMarieBenes · 08/12/2021 17:31

I will voting yet again for my local labour female MP who is very good (I miss labour being in power).

Needmoresleep · 08/12/2021 17:29

They don't speak up because they are men and this is a women's issue. They don't care.

FWIW I think Boris cares either. It Tory women, for the most part, who are speaking up.

Floisme · 08/12/2021 17:29

if they are either a) that fucking stupid or b) that easily persuaded of such patent bollocks then how on earth could I trust them not to believe other unmitigated fuckwitted nonsense
Yup. As far as I'm concerned, any party that says it's wrong to say only women have a cervix is either too stupid or too cowardly to be trusted with power.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 08/12/2021 17:27

That too Lazy. I don’t think Keir Starmer or Ed Davey don’t know what a woman is, they’re just too cowardly to stand up & say it. They’ve allowed their parties to become bullied by a small number of fanatical activists because it’s easier than saying no and anyway it’s just women innit!

They are totally spineless, so again, why would I trust them not to be spineless over other things?

lazylinguist · 08/12/2021 17:18

It really worries me how many people would vote based on a single issue. People may not agree with 'gender woo' but would you really place your opinion about other people gender orientation.

It's not just about other people's gender orientation though, is it? It's about everybody's identity, including mine. Why would I vote for a party that denies material reality and thinks it's ok to redefine or erase the category of person that I am? Frankly, that would be like a turkey voting for Christmas!

And what makes it almost worse is that I don't believe for one single second that people like Keir Starmer have the teeniest doubt about what a woman is really. They are just too bloody cowardly to admit it.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 08/12/2021 17:13

The fact that any political party (in this case in England Labour & the Liberal Democrats) populated by apparently educated & thoughtful has allowed itself to believe such complete & utter nonsense is the key issue fir me

people who are sane & sensible on any other topic are spouting such unmitigated fuckwitted bullshit such as a man is literally a woman if he says or that there’s no problem putting men in Women’s sports is the issue for me. I mean really? REALLY??

if they are either a) that fucking stupid or b) that easily persuaded of such patent bollocks then how on earth could I trust them not to believe other unmitigated fuckwitted nonsense??

That’s why I won’t vote Labour or Lib Dem atm. It’s because they’re behaving like morons - how can I trust them in the economy or the NHS when they apparently can’t tell the difference between men and women?

So spoiled paper for me

MalagaNights · 08/12/2021 17:02

LobsterNapkin
Feminism for them is a form of identity politics.

I agree.
And it's what has now stopped me calling myself a feminist.
This issue has stopped me being a feminist.

Although I still rage and protest about this issue for women and on other issues for women - girls.

I'm no longer interested in seeing everything to do with women as a power struggle with men or the patriarchy.

This is where it leads.

And the left is trying to fight for every oppressed identity group going, and tying themselves into illogical knots doing it.

I'm out.

I'm not going near labour again until they ditch this whole identity based ideology.
It's dangerous and is sowing division.

If they think it's a good idea for everyone to divide themselves into groups and ask them to blame each and fight for power... it's not going to end well.

We know this.

NoNotMeNoSiree · 08/12/2021 16:58

@CorrBlimeyGG

Imagine voting for the Conservatives because you're more worried about a trans woman in a changing room, than you are about the hundreds of thousands of women disproportionately impacted by austerity.

If that's how you think, you've truly lost the plot, and you certainly don't care about women.

I agree, if you're voting Tory because you think they're the best bet for women's rights there's just not a lot to say about that really! Words fail.