BBC 100 Women List - Gender is contentious

Part of me thinks that we should be highlighting the women that did make it on to the list ... like the Mail has... and celebrating them!!

Germaine Greer when asked whether what she said might be felt by some to be hurtful: “People are hurtful to me all the time,"Try being an old woman, I mean, for goodness sake. People get hurt all the time. I'm not about to walk on eggshells.”

I think that Joan Rivers, Victoria Wood, Liz Smith and Julie Walters could / can carry off an old lady joke. Everyone else sounds like an arse. This is peer reviewed research so don't blame me, blame the science.

But thank you for the thread. I was lurking yesterday but not posting much (which I do sometimes) and it was most instructive. James Kirkup seems like a decent guy so I'm sure it won't be lost on him that he is allowed to talk about this while we are not.

The Mail has picked the story up.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10285079/BBC-includes-trans-women-list-100-inspiring-influential-women-2021.html

But you should be able to find loads of interesting people who have a variety of interesting threads responding and commenting to the article.

Great article.
Can anyone link to an interesting Twitter thread ?

Noted.

Please to see this one made it through the night 💪

Overnight I was thinking that why on Earth does the BBC feel the need to compile lists like this? Leave random and inevitably politically biased lists to the independent media, not the national broadcaster.
On the subject of ageing, it’s a good thing that in many cases a sense of humour is one of the last things to go.

Not one of the posters here said anything to “bash” women. They celebrated, commended and honoured the women who made the list, and indeed those who did not. No one in any way seemed jealous or resentful of the women on the list.

Celebrating, honouring and commending women does not include men/males/whichever we are permitted to say - it simply does not apply to them.

'HelplesslyHoping

Ah another thread aimed to bash women who are more successful than the commenters. All 100 women deserve their place on the list, only men and misogynists seem to disagree'

A really interesting comment.

When I looked at the list and read about some of the women and girls.

The words that came to mind were brave, determined, strong, inspirational. Words like that.

The word that came to your mind when you looked through the list and maybe read about some of the women was successful.

I'd be interested to understand why that word is the one that felt most apt to you.

(And sexist men would hate it. But wouldn't really be able to express that too loudly as what objection could there be?
Men are being celebrated. For doing amazing things.
Hard to say the wrong sort of men and the wrong sort of things without sounding like a total pillock!)

This is Feminism isn't it?

Anyway looked at list and thought.

A good thing for the BBC maybe would be to do 3? Stagger through year or something?

Female human types face different issues to trans males.
Eg in one it said about a trans woman getting lashes for homosexuality. That would I'm sure have been male homosexuality. Shit. But different shit. Pretending we have the same problems is s constantly repeated obvious untruth.

Around the world being LGBT etc is still illegal, socially unacceptable to the point of massive risk of harm etc. Things like-
Death penalty in some countries
Lashing/ stoning / imprisonment
Incarceration without trial
Ostracism from community/ family
Corrective
Violence including murder
And more I mean terrible.

A separate list for LGBT+ activism etc the sort of things the women have done, in areas where it's incredibly dangerous, I would be interested for sure.

And don't freak out. One for men working, agitating, really helping in countries where things are grim. Not the money makers, the presidents, the actors, the tech billionaires. But the men around the world at the sharp end themselves. Have read things about things like- a man who found a way to make sanitary pads out of things being discarded and gave them free in area where like gold dust.
Would be such a difference and a good one to celebrate ordinary men doing tangible things for no other reason than to help.
Having these stories about men doing amazing things not to do with sport money etc. Would be a really positive alternative view of male success to the usual stuff about men and success.

I'm going to get clobbered

'Senior moment' is sex neutral I think?

Incontinent (urine or bowels?)
Loss of cognitive function

And if needing reading glasses makes you an old lady that's what about 40 and up! Blimey.

I'm not impressed with the old lady thing either.

One thing to say fgs the older I get the more whatever.

Another thing to apply whatever not great thing to a whole group esp one that already is not... Thought of in a positive way a lot of the time!

Do old men get this as a group?
Old man moment? Don't think I've heard of it.

(I have a characteristic that is often attached to something not great that's said a lot often in my company/ hearing and it fucks me right off! Has done since it became a thing to say.
That may make me extra irritated by this stuff!).

Even with his fine writing and beautifully made points, we’re still at the stage where he’s saying ‘natal’ women.

Incidentally the reactions and anger from one, the other, or sometimes all sides. And that whatever done it's always going to be wrong. And this is such a fraught topic with a decent amount of coverage.

Is imo why things like the Brits are moving to a single award rather than man/ woman.

Now as well calls for other genders esp non binary where's their group don't fit either.

I mean they want to focus on the prize, get nominees etc, arrange venue/ presenter/s, judges, publicity etc etc I mean loads goes in even for less big famous things.

The last thing they want is to have to spend time thinking how to do it to cause least anger, how to avoid accusations of not being inclusive to non binary people, consider possible strong reactions from nominees prob in press. Boycott even?

And so on.

Make it just best X? Job done

Obv with things for women only it's a different ball game.