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École Polytechnique murders 32 years ago today

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Rhannion · 06/12/2021 19:53

Today 6th December marks 32 years since 14 women were murdered in Montreal, Canada. They were shot by because they were women.

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ScrollingLeaves · 08/12/2021 14:31

“WeeBisom

So the murderer deliberately set out to kill women (he actually let the men flee), and feminists and yet the speaker is going to talk about the number of trans people killed? When this wasn't an attack on trans people? The really annoying thing about this is that there is absolutely no way whatsoever a woman would be permitted to be the only speaker on trans day of remembrance and then change the topic of conversation entirely to be about violence against women. Women don't even get to be centred in their own memorial services.”

Narcissism can be an inherent part of some peoples’ defence mechanism when they know deep down that they can never quite be what they say they are.

Mummyoflittledragon · 08/12/2021 14:23

I hadn’t heard of this massacre. What those poor women must have gone through. Any memorial ceremony should be women talking about these murdered women and vawg, not a political statement.

I am shocked to the core at the statistics in the last link @ScreamingMeMe. Almost 3 indigenous women and girls go missing every week. This is an outrage. These women and girls deserve to be recognised.

Rhannion · 08/12/2021 14:16

Thank you Hope at Mumsnet.

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Blackandwhitehorse · 08/12/2021 12:21

I don’t quite know what to say, horrific. Probably one of the worst things I’ve seen in the year I’ve been following this. So upsetting.

NeedsCharging · 08/12/2021 12:12

So many women could have been chosen to speak in honour of the 14 women murdered because they were female why have they chosen a male to do it?

334bu · 08/12/2021 12:08

When in many parts of the world enslavement is the lot of those who are born female, it is important that we always remember the hate and misogyny of the man who killed these 13 women who dared to challenge society's expectations for them, and be aware just how prevalent this hate for women is in our world.

2319inprogress · 08/12/2021 11:04

@FindTheTruth

Geneviève Bergeron, Hélène Colgan, Nathalie Croteau, Barbara Daigneault, Anne-Marie Edward, Maud Haviernick, Barbara Klucznik-Widajewicz, Maryse Laganière, Maryse Leclair, Anne-Marie Lemay, Sonia Pelletier, Michèle Richard, Annie St-Arneault and Annie Turcotte

Flowers

Women who had their futures ripped from them Sad Flowers
ErrolTheDragon · 08/12/2021 10:31

Thanks Hope.

HopeMumsnet · 08/12/2021 09:50

Hi all,
As requested, we have now reviewed this thread and reinstated it.
We completely understand the urge to discuss matters arising from the memorial service but we'd really appreciate it if the thread could stay on topic as much as possible, as a memorial to the women who were murdered that day. Kindest thoughts to those who have experienced male violence. Flowers

MrsTerryPratchett · 07/12/2021 15:36

@endofthelinefinally

The Vancouver Rape Centre are asking for donations as they expected to be targeted during this event. Glinner has published their request on his substack.
They're always on my Christmas list.
endofthelinefinally · 07/12/2021 15:28

The Vancouver Rape Centre are asking for donations as they expected to be targeted during this event. Glinner has published their request on his substack.

MrsTerryPratchett · 07/12/2021 15:16

'“Would we be here today if those women had been Indigenous? What if they were trans women? Or women who worked on the streets or had mental health or addictions issues?”

The answer is yes. This is a picture of the PEI 2020 Healing Walk with thousands attending. And I guarantee if trans women were being lined up and shot, there would be mass demonstrations. I agree that the Pickton murders in BC showed that prostituted women don't get the same response. That's a reason to DO SOMETHING about that, rather than to complain when something is done about this.

I'd also like to say the women's name as many here have:

Geneviève Bergeron
Hélène Colgan
Nathalie Croteau
Barbara Daigneault
Anne-Marie Edward
Maud Haviernick
Maryse Laganière
Maryse Leclair
Anne-Marie Lemay
Sonia Pelletier
Michèle Richard
Annie St-Arneault
Annie Turcotte
Barbara Klucznik-Widajewicz

École Polytechnique murders 32 years ago today
ScreamingMeMe · 07/12/2021 15:02

@KittenKong

Wasn’t it in Canada where the police investigated a hate crime of a car wheel making a mark on a rainbow crossing?
Yup

goodsauce.news/canadian-police-investigating-crimes-against-road-rainbows/

They also think that misgendering is a human rights violation

www.google.com/amp/s/www.them.us/story/canadian-court-rules-misgendering-human-rights-violation/amp

And they have a PM who can do no wrong, despite having done blackface numerous times, at a time long after most people had recognised it as unacceptable. And this in a country where indigenous women ate murdered at horrific rates.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/07/canada-indigenous-women-and-girls-missing

What an utter fucking shambles of a country

KittenKong · 07/12/2021 14:40

Wasn’t it in Canada where the police investigated a hate crime of a car wheel making a mark on a rainbow crossing?

FindTheTruth · 07/12/2021 14:31

transactivists protesting around memorial events for victims of the École Polytechnique massacre

Canada seems to be leading the world in this type of incel paraphilic hatred of women. It even has a bill going through that could outlaw feminism.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/12/2021 14:12

It was transactivists protesting around memorial events for victims of the École Polytechnique massacre about a decade ago that put me fully on the plane to Terf Island.

YY. Radical feminist and author of "The Transsexual Empire"Janice Raymond spoke at the Vancouver Public Library at a memorial event organised by the Vancouver Rape Relief shelter (also targeted by TRAs) and various TRAs tried to get it shut down and then when that didn't work, organised utterly tone deaf "protests" both outside the library and even L'École Polytechnique itself Confused though I think they didn't go ahead ultimately.

EsmaCannonball · 07/12/2021 14:03

The École Polytechnique massacre was one of those events that really burned its way into my mind as a teenager. Later on, in 1997, I had my moment of revelation that trans women were not men who should have been born women, but just men with a variety of issues. A year or two after that Germaine Greer resigned from Cambridge after the appointment of a male professor at Newnham College and the potential damage from men identifying as women was brought home to me. I knew it was a sexist ideology but that was the first real-life consequence to hit the news. It was transactivists protesting around memorial events for victims of the École Polytechnique massacre about a decade ago that put me fully on the plane to Terf Island. How dare they protest these events? How dare they make the murder of women, who were targeted for breaking the rules about gender, all about them and their beloved gender?

It looks like they have succeeded.

FindTheTruth · 07/12/2021 13:40

increasingly, I look at the piles of dead women compared to the, erm, no dead trans women

How could the organisers think that this speaker, who retweeted the message of a TRA with a gun, was appropriate?

thevassal · 07/12/2021 13:38

"Government data does not have accurate records of the number of transgender women murdered in gender-based violence, Preston said.
It boils down to the trans community's relationship with government and police, she said.
"A lot of it comes down to the way that the government collects information and also, to a certain extent, community reluctance to engage with the government due to decades of systemic oppression," she said"

What? The only two reasons the government might not have records of the % of transwomen murdered is either because there is currently no space to record it on the relevant forms, or because there aren't any trans women murdered in gender based violence. I don't know which it is but if anyone did want to record it would be incredibly easy to do, and therefore to campaign on. It's a bit of a cop out to say 'we think this is an incredibly important issue that needs accurate data but due to our "decades of systematic oppression" we don't want to do the one thing that might actually achieve it (I.e. lobby govt to record gender identity of all deaths/just murders if it differs from birth sex). Instead I'll just moan about it to a journalist from a completely different country which will achieve fuck all.'

Plus all, apart from all that, I don't believe any of the women murdered in this actual incident were trans, so is an article about the memorial of their tragic deaths really a suitable place to bring up your own agenda, however worthy it is?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/12/2021 13:21

I had a red dress on”, said no woman when describing her experience of being groped in a crowded bar, ever.

Interesting detail for this person to put in, no?

Isn't it. Love the new name btw.

KittenKong · 07/12/2021 13:18

It’s certainly the most tone deaf thing. And they just don’t get it do they?

endofthelinefinally · 07/12/2021 13:10

This is honestly one of the worst things I have read on here. It is so utterly crass, insensitive, inappropriate, insulting, egotistical, self absorbed and disgusting.
The loss of an adult child is recognised by psychiatrists as being the worst kind of bereavement. When that loss is associated with violence it is intensified. The pain and grief never, never leave you. The parents and families of those poor women should not have to endure such disrespect to add to their terrible grief.

KittenKong · 07/12/2021 11:53

This person already has their Remembrance Day sport light last month. They are obviously someone who is very vocal.

ScreamingMeMe · 07/12/2021 11:51

@FindTheTruth

The speaker retweeted this image of a TRA with a machine gun in August. Nerf or Nothin'." uses the implication that there is only one option, regardless of the debate
And they're speaking at a memorial for women who were shot. Incredible.
SammyScrounge · 07/12/2021 11:47

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