FB Groups and JK

IIRC, the trans rights lobby groups allied with religious groups so that the right could be granted to trans people, but not gay men, lesbians and bisexuals with a same-sex partner.

Interesting, isn't it

"So, about those catheters. Is it an infringement of trans rights if a male catheter is used on a male patient?"

Obviously physical characteristics should be considered in medical contexts, to provide the best possible medical care.

But we're not talking about that. We are talking about your constant attempts to impose social categorization and segregation on the basis of those physical characteristics outside medical context.

Do you feel that trans women should only receive female healthcare waves?
Is it transphobic to suggest that they should have healthcare which takes account of their male bodies.

And the opposite for transmen of course.

They are also conditions that the overwhelming majority of people with trans identities don't have.

So, about those catheters. Is it an infringement of trans rights if a male catheter is used on a male patient?

UK is institutionally transphobic, tell me something I didn't already know.

Sex is a protected characteristic.
Belief in sex is very much allowed and acceptable. It is in fact a legal requirement.

Being critical of gender theory is a protected legal viewpoint also very much acceptable.
Other beliefs are also acceptable, the UK isn't a totalitarian state.

So, women born with a vagina are actually men (adult human males) if it turns out they have XY chromosomes?

Also, you do realize other chromosome configurations than XX and XY exist?

The sex difference in urethral lengths means that, should the shorter female length catheter be used in males, the inflation of the balloon with water occurs within the male urethra rather than the bladder. This can cause severe urethral trauma and result in pain and haemorrhage, or longer term effects such as urethral strictures, retention or incontinence.

WTF, of course sex chromosomes define biological sex.

Even when we are all skeletons in the ground the effects of XX and XY are evident and skeletons are sexed.

"You believe this about those words. We do not believe it. We are using the terms in different ways. If you can't accept and acknowledge this, even if you disagree with it, the discussion will go nowhere."

The thing is, you insist on imposing your definitions of terms on trans women, and demand involuntary labeling, categorization, and segregation.

That is unacceptable.

The labels. You are imposing unwanted gender labels on people against their will.

No, we are highlighting that sex is an unchanging reality regardless of what gender labels people wish to use.

So what is the word for "adult male human" without referring to cultural sex stereotypes then? According to you, the English language doesn't doesn't have one, so we need to invent one.

XX and XY chromosomes won't dissappear to appease a minority. Neither will JFK lose the majority of her fans.

Facts are facts.

"'Roles’ in what sense?"

The labels. You are imposing unwanted gender labels on people against their will.

"When I say that I am a woman, I am telling you that I am an adult human female."

I genuinely don't care.

"Earlier you talked about expected, socially mandated roles. That's what I reject."

No you don't. You are keen on imposing the roles of "man" and "woman" on people.

Earlier you talked about expected, socially mandated roles. That's what I reject. Ever since I was a three-year-old girl being told that I had to wear pink dresses and sit quietly so I didn't get them dirty. That's gender. All that socialised nonsense. Women and girls should have this set of interests and personality traits, and men and boys have a different set. Fighting against all that is what made me a feminist.

I do not have a gender identity. You do not know my inner state of being better than I do.

When I say that I am a woman, I am telling you that I am an adult human female. That's all. Not that I identify with any gender. I actually find it offensive that some people use the word 'woman' to mean 'identifies with feminine social roles'. It's sexist. But you're entitled to do it, just as we can use it to refer to sex.

"You keep changing your mind on whether sex= gender or sex =/= gender."

No, you just keep FALSELY conflating the labels "man" and "woman" with sex, when they're both gender categories socially constructed *AROUND" sex.

It is your belief that trans women are "men" and you cannot impose that belief on anyone else or expect anyone to discriminate against trans women just because your personal beliefs demand that.

It isn't my belief so much as a biological fact.

Do you not believe in biological sex in any way?

The trans element is that they are a sex living in a different gender.

Otherwise they would just be women, as in adult human female.

Do you genuinely not feel trans women might need different healthcare for example? Healthcare for a male body and vice versa for trans men.
You would expect the sex body elements of healthcare to disappear once people stated they were trans?
This sounds very unsafe for them.