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@Wavedancer99

Sex or gender? Because sex your born as gender is what you identify as

Human beings are not clownfish a scalpel does not change your sex

The naked man in that incident self-identified as a woman, but turned out to be a sexual predator with previous offences of sexual assault against women and girls.

Same as in dozens of other cases of sexual violence. As predicted. And is continuing to happen.

Tell me, do you think it's okay for an adult female person with a vagina to expose her genitals to little girls?

Is this some kind of 'gotcha' ?

Think about it. If a woman were to take her little girl into a communal 'single sex' changing room or similar labelled 'female', she would expect to see only females in there. If she was aware it was a communal changing room, she might expect that some women might be naked in there and therefore her little girl might see some breasts or the outer gentials of the other women. She can make an informed decision based on that knowledge about whether she wants her child exposed to that.

What she would not be expecting to see in a 'single sex female changing room', is a cock and balls. Therefore if males were allowed in and she was not aware of that, she wouldn't be able to make an informed decision about what she exposes her daughter to, would she?

"And despite the variations in sex development, people with these conditions are still either male or female. I believe karotyping is used to determine which."

And just like that, you immediately disregard and speak over the intersex people who are also trans or non-binary.

Almost like you're just cherrypicking the ones who happen to be useful to you.

Good, so in other words, the sex of the individual isn't the issue, the act of exposing one's genitals is.

In the context of the Wi Spa incident, where there are separate male and female areas where everyone is naked with members of their own sex, there is a difference between naked women in the area for women and girls and a naked man with an erect penis being in the area for women and girls.

The naked man in that incident self-identified as a woman, but turned out to be a sexual predator with previous offences of sexual assault against women and girls.

bioessentialist definitions of gender ROFL - can you explain to me what you mean by this, @Wavedancer99?

How can gender be bioessentialist when it’s socially constructed?

You’re literally telling us we think the very opposite of the GC position, which kind of suggests you don’t really know what it is.

It’s TRAS who think gender is essentialist. No?

What a surprise. A TRA who can't answer the same basic questions that all the other TRAs can't answer.

I believe many people do not like the outdated term 'intersex' and prefer the terms Differences in Sex Development (DSD) or Variations in Sex Characteristics (VSC) or Diverse Sex Development. Many have also repeatedly asked not to be co-opted into this debate.

And despite the variations in sex development, people with these conditions are still either male or female. I believe karotyping is used to determine which.

The invoking of 'intersex' is another argument we hear on here with tiresome regularity.

www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/10/its-intersex-awareness-day-here-are-5-myths-we-need-to-shatter/

See myth four

[quote Theunamedcat]@Wavedancer99

It is inappropriate for any adult male or female to expose themselves to a child[/quote]
Good, so in other words, the sex of the individual isn't the issue, the act of exposing one's genitals is.

And we can therefore punish people for the act of exposing their genitals, instead of preemptively discriminating against people on the basis of their sex.

Gender meaning the categories of "man" and "woman".

There are two sexes, male and female.

Everything else is your personality.

As an aside, as someone with an 8 y o I can also confirm that preteens can’t yank HP merchandise off the shelves fast enough. WW have clearly licensed to just about any retailer going this year, and it’s like preteen gold dust - they can’t get enough HP clothes, HP games, HP puzzles, HP stationery, HP Christmas decorations, you name it. I’m having to shell out a fortune for wands, costumes, trips to the studios tour, notebooks, Lego, Hedwig plushies, HP Dobble, scrunchies, hoodies, socks, even Hogwarts knickers 😂

Every 8-12 year old is obsessed with it right now, and in the real world where people don’t hang out fulminating on Tumblr, DD manages to find Harry Potter enthusiasts everywhere from the hairdresser to her piano teacher who tells all the kids a crotchet rest looks like Harry Potter’s scar.

JK is not being cancelled by the vast majority of people. Die mad about it, as the yoof say 😂

Is it just me, or has the word “transphobic” been used so many times to describe brave women standing up to bullies in defence of rational thought and civilised debate, that the word “transphobic” has become a compliment?

I think it’s so funny when extremist activists try to shut down debate by saying “that’s transphobic.” No one cares. It isn’t an insult anymore.

@Wavedancer99

It is inappropriate for any adult male or female to expose themselves to a child

And all intersex people are affected by your bioessentialist definitions of gender.

Gender meaning the categories of "man" and "woman".

@Wavedancer99 it is a fact that one sex class of humans disproportionately harms another sex class of human. This has happened for millenia, and no one has ever had any trouble figuring out one sex class from the other throughout history, even with the existence of people with DSDs that you are now so keen to appropriate.

All transwomen are part of one of these sex classes. The same one. Which one is it?

This is what it boils down to.

[quote OppsUpsSide]@Wavedancer99 I am not sure if you genuinely don’t know what you did (I suspect that is the case) or if it was a deliberate act.
Either way, it says an awful lot more about you then the poster you were ‘quoting’.[/quote]
The only thing it says about me is that I'm aware of what bigots say, from my experience of arguing against them.

Just like I'm doing right now.

Still super interested to hear your definition of "woman" by the way.

"Sex-based" segregation should not exist.

Ok. You're entitled to your beliefs.

Why do you feel that your beliefs are more important than scientific fact and of the legal sex based rights of the majority of biological women? The majority of whom do not want biological men to have access to their spaces (for the reasons stated in my previous post)?

People with DSD aren’t trans.

In that case, does that mean intersex women born without "large gametes" or XY chromosomes aren't women?

Intersex!

"Sex-based" segregation should not exist

When we separate human beings into sex categories (male and female), it becomes very clear that one sex poses a statistical threat to the other. Men are responsible for 98% of sex crimes. Women and children are overwhelmingly the victims.

If we do not segregate based on sex, how do you propose that we safeguard against this clear danger?