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We've got Sainsbos taste the difference @Whitefire but I've not tried their normal ones so I don't know if these taste different. I don't love mince pies. I might see if I can get some ecclfechan cakes instead next week which are like a mash up between a mince pie and a bakewell tart

The only thing you can observe is whether the baby has a vagina or a penis.

Anything aside from that, any category you base on that, is in fact assigned.

Yes, I've not reported that 'quote' because I believe it should stand as evidence of the sort of tactics that are used by the posters who are determined to erode women's (legal) single sex spaces. There's never reasoned and rational debate, just hyperbole, nonsense conflation and wild claims with no evidence to back it up.

So we have a bit of a problem don't we?

And we can therefore punish people for the act of exposing their genitals, instead of preemptively discriminating against people on the basis of their sex.'

Or we could continue to do what the law already does and safe guard against this by not allowing males in female only spaces what with them being the ones that are most likely to flash their bits around. Rather than waiting for a child to be traumatised by it first.

Yeah, because they use the exact same bioessentialist criteria that you do. This isn't hard ro understand.

Do you honestly think that if we all woke up tomorrow and everyone said 'right, we are no longer going to have men and women, everyone is just going to be human' and everyone just ignored the fact that there are two distinct sexes with different needs, that the oppression of one sex class by the other would just stop dead in its tracks?

You think that's the answer? I think that's very naive.

Anyway, DH has just had a Mince Pie (vile things that they are) it was a Mr Kipling as they were on offer in Asda and cheaper than Asda's own.

So for those who eat them which is the best MP?

@Wavedancer99 yes I thought so.

What you actually did was take someones words and reframe them in a quote which to subsequent readers could appear to be a correct quote or interpretation of it.
Also, your self penned ‘quote’ was an attempt at conflating the posters words with an abhorrent and unrelated statement in order to portray them as someone who needs to be ‘cancelled’.

If you don’t understand how dangerous what you just did is then you are in no position to direct anyone to go and educate themselves.
Although, that would be preferable to being educated by you, I’ll give you that.

Being trans means having a different gender identity than assigned at birth, and non-binary people's identities are different than assigned at birth

Gender identities are not 'assigned at birth'. The sex is observed. No one 'assigns' anything, that makes it sound like some sort of decision is made.

Bloody hell, this is so daft.

A male person can give themselves breast implants and pump themselves full of hormones in order to give the outward impression that they are female. If that's what they want to do, then crack on.

But women should still be entitled to exist as an entity and feel that they can group themselves as such. That isn't transphobic, that's just sensible.

There are men, transmen, transwomen and women. There. Everyone gets to be represented, brave and stunning. Designate some loos as gender neutral and we can all get on with our lives and stop having to argue with strangers on the internet.

I tell you one fecking thing the men in Afghanistan have no problem knowing which of the other humans are women. There is no identifying out of it for those women, you have no fecking clue.

[quote foxgoosefinch]@Wavedancer99, can you reconcile trans with non-binary?

They should logically be the opposite of each other, no?

How does “non-binary” exist? Where does it exist?

If it only exists in someone’s “identity”, which is in their psyche, how can it exist in the real world?[/quote]
How and why would it be the opposite?

Non-binary gender identities are identities that exist outside the binary identities of "man" and "woman".

Being trans means having a different gender identity than assigned at birth, and non-binary people's identities are different than assigned at birth, therefore they fall under the trans umbrella.

It still does not mean that human beings can change sex.

You still haven't provided any evidence that they can. Wouldn't that knock all our arguments on the head? Why not just produce the evidence that you are basing your entire argument on?

If gender is socially constructed, what are the bits that aren’t?

You talk about sex. Is that not socially constructed?

So how do the two fit together?

Think - really hard!!

Well you can't argue with stupid 🤷🏼‍♀️

There's nothing categorizing trans women as "men" except your attempt to socially mandate it.

What is it that categorises transwomen as women expect their say so? And why should I go along with that?

Giving it one more go to see if you can answer either of these basic questions @Wavedancer99

A) What is a woman? (Without using the word woman in your definition)

B) When we separate human beings into sex categories (male and female), it becomes very clear that one sex poses a statistical threat to the other. Men are responsible for 98% of sex crimes. Women and children are overwhelmingly the victims. If we do not segregate based on sex, how do you propose that we safeguard against this clear danger?

@Wavedancer99 do you accept that one sex class of human is overwhelmingly responsible for violence, particularly sexual violence, against the other sex class?

Can you name which sex class transwomen are in?

"You’re literally telling us we think the very opposite of the GC position, which kind of suggests you don’t really know what it is."

Because you do, you are not "critical of gender" at all.

Sorting people into the categories of "men" and "women" is gender. Organizing society around sex, including through "sex-based" rules and segregation, is gender.

All of these things are socially constructed.

There's nothing categorizing trans women as "men" except your attempt to socially mandate it.

@Wavedancer99, can you reconcile trans with non-binary?

They should logically be the opposite of each other, no?

How does “non-binary” exist? Where does it exist?

If it only exists in someone’s “identity”, which is in their psyche, how can it exist in the real world?

And just like that, you immediately disregard and speak over the intersex people who are also trans or non-binary.

How is saying 'People with DSDs are still either male or female' doing that?

Good, so in other words, the sex of the individual isn't the issue, the act of exposing one's genitals is.

Nope. Sex is very much a proven issue. "MOJ Offender Management Statistics (OMS-Q) show that > 99% of all sexual offenders are male (never below 99% for two decades 2001-20). ONS & Eurostats (2018) show 88-90% of those "sexually offended against" are female".