Zara - male bodies in female changing room

DBI78 you do realise that trans people have constantly told us they are no longer denying their sex? They know they are male or female and that they cannot change sex.

Although, from looking at twitter today it seems some prominent activists are back on the redefining of male/female to try to destabilise it to suit their personal needs rather than science/medical/society as a whole.

Yep me and my kids are not safety guards for men or anyone binary person

We need to feel safe when the buggy doesn’t fit in. Same for toilets

Them men are just trampling over us cos the stupid companies think we don’t matter

We do matter. We should matter

it could be a frightened transgender person

And it always comes down to this, why is it acceptable for any male to be in a female changing room?

We have had these conversations over and over. And the answer always seems women, do your job of providing safety to males who might be vulnerable!

I am actually tired of hearing this as an excuse for males to be in female single sex spaces. My answer to this quickly became ‘if stonewall spent their time addressing getting extra provisions for these males instead of forcing women to give up their own spaces, imagine where we’d be now. There’d be clarity about who used what spaces and many people would be feeling safe.’

But instead, Stonewall took another path. But one that was directed by males who had spent years using these spaces without asking but just feeling entitled. Like it was the solution to their problem but they never asked the residents. Now they are stuck and they realise the residents are not giving way so they play the sympathy card.

Because transgender and non binary people don't have a place to try clothes on. Everyone should have the right to safe places.

They do though don't they. Changing rooms are segregated by sex. So they go to the changing room according to the sex they are. It's not difficult to work out.

The question doesn't need answering Terfydactyl. I already know.

What sort of bollock brain would do this to their kids

Am tired sorry dont recognise your user name, so
Is this a real question or rhetorical?

'Everyone' includes females.

If the issue is safe spaces for male people then

1. deal with male violence and make male spaces more inclusive - sort that problem out without buggering up female spaces and excluding females from any space to give men more spaces. Female oppression and exclusion is not an acceptable answer to males having a problem.

2. sort out safe third spaces (and then watch the male people you offer them to have a whole lot of reasons why those spaces won't do and they must be in female spaces with females, with females either co operating with this or being excluded, female consent and access and inclusion and equality and feelings irrelevant.)

Female humans are not a resource to be used up for the betterment of males. Even really vulnerable males. Find answers for the group with the problem and stop dumping the problem on females and expecting them to suck up what you'd never dream of inflicting on a male. It's plain male supremacism.

No,hellabore they shouldn’t have

It’s fucking bat shit crazy that this is even happening

@Artichokeleaves
I don't know who accessed the rooms it could be a frightened transgender person, it could be a privileged male who thinks they have the right to do what they want. I don't know. All I'm saying is to me this highlighted a need to change things so everyone can feel safe. With regard to the I don't assume a man is going to attack me. I regret saying that as I like most females take precautions around walking alone, drinking, being out at night and many other scenarios because I fear being attacked by men. I don't really think about it because it's ingrained to protect myself.I think I meant in terms of context for the article but I didn't think the comment through.

Women are not human shields to provide safety for vulnerable males. If males need protection from other males in their changing rooms and toilets, they need to get that sorted other ways.

And if no extra physical provision can be made, then stores need to have staff monitor the changing rooms.

Males should never have been given access to female single sex spaces.

Go lobby for third spaces for the trans and non binary people then.

Stop asking women to give up their spaces.

It’s not. Men should stay out of our changing rooms and go speak,to company’s if they don’t like it

Enough now.

Stay out men. Stop being chancers.

Let us women and our kids be safe

[quote DoubleTweenQueen]@DBI78

From your previous comment:
"There's men, women, transgender, non binary and other ways to identify. The issue isn't with men and woman it's about changing rooms not meeting all needs. I think we work better if we all support each other rather than it being woman against everyone else. I'm not gas lighting woman I'm questioning a woman who choose to publish an article about why men should not be allowed in women's changing rooms. but did she speak to the people involved to find out why the woman's changing room was most appropriate for them? She judged and assumed.”

There are two sexes - male and female. They are legally protected characteristics. The changing rooms in the article were designated thus.

There are potentially millions of ways to define one’s own beautifully unique identity, (I find the current political gender ideology list ridiculously limited), but that doesn’t change which changing room you ought to head for, if they are designated by sex. If we can all get our heads around that basic fact, we can enjoy being completely in agreement and supportive of each other quite nicely.

The refusal to acknowledge reality only perpetuates division and mistrust, which is a great shame.[/quote]
But maybe those people don't feel safe in Mens changing rooms either. That not to say it's ok for women to feel unsafe. So the solution is improve the changing rooms.

We are not safety officers for men.

It’s just that

Who even knows what a non binary person is

I want to be able to go in a changing room with a baby in a buggy and a toddler who opens curtains and not have men there

It’s really simple

Am not guarding men.

Go speak to men and tell them that trans and non binary people should be safe in there

Me and my kids are not guarding them. It’s that simple

I ask another staff member if she knew the policy and she says the same thing: 'Our managers tell us to let people into the women's changing rooms if they are carrying women's clothes', she said.

Has there been a response from Zara? this is a shocking 'policy'. not a safe place for teenage girls or women.

It's ludicrous to suggest women are not at risk of men in changing rooms.

If changing rooms are mixed, which they are fast becoming, every bloody predator, bully, intimidator, misogynist, wanker in the country will walk into them.

🙄🙄🙄

No one should be defending men going into womens changing rooms

Chancers so they are. Showing their male dominance. We can do what we want women.

And you can’t stop us

Chancers

Those defending may not be women of course but there are a significant amount of women who are allies.

They are cousins of those turkeys who vote for Christmas.